Where did I go wrong in avoiding the draw?

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06 Jan '14 06:34

Wayne Wicks
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06 Jan '14 06:34
Please help more with the end after I go up one pawn, please.

EVENT Open invite
SITE http://www.redhotpawn.com
DATE 2013.12.16
ROUND ?
WHITE Wayne Wicks
BLACK billy2livers
RESULT 1/2-1/2
WHITEELO 1430
BLACKELO 1689
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[Event "Open invite"]
[Site "http://www.redhotpawn.com"]
[Date "2013.12.16"]
[EndDate "2014.01.03"]
[Round "?"]
[White "Wayne Wicks"]
[Black "billy2livers"]
[WhiteRating "1430"]
[BlackRating "1689"]
[WhiteElo "1430"]
[BlackElo "1689"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[GameId "10370050"]

1. e4 c6 2. d4 g6 3. Nb1c3 Bf8g7 4. Ng1f3 c5 5. Bc1e3 cxd4 6. Be3xd4 f6 7. Bf1b5 Nb8c6 8. O-O e6 9. Bb5xc6 bxc6 10. e5 fxe5 11. Bd4xe5 Bg7xe5 12. Nf3xe5 Ng8f6 13. Rf1e1 O-O 14. Nc3e4 Qd8b6 15. Ne5c4 Qb6b4 16. Ne4xf6 Rf8xf6 17. Qd1d4 Qb4f8 18. Nc4e5 c5 19. Qd4e3 Ra8b8 20. b3 d6 21. Ne5g4 Rf6f4 22. h3 e5 23. g3 Rf4f3 24. Qe3d2 Bc8b7 25. Re1e3 Rb8d8 26. Ra1e1 e4 27. Re3xf3 exf3 28. Qd2c3 d5 29. Qc3e5 h5 30. Ng4f6 Kg8h8 31. Nf6d7 Qf8g7 32. Qe5xg7 Kh8xg7 33. Re1e7 Kg7h6 34. Nd7xc5 Bb7c8 35. h4 Bc8f5 36. c3 Rd8c8 37. b4 a5 38. a3 axb4 39. axb4 Rc8a8 40. Re7e3 Ra8a1 41. Kg1h2 Ra1a3 42. Re3xf3 d4 43. b5 Ra3xc3 44. Rf3xc3 dxc3 45. b6 Bf5c8 46. Kh2g2 c2 47. Nc5b3 g5 48. Kg2f1 Bc8b7 49. Kf1e1 gxh4 50. gxh4 Kh6g6 51. Ke1d2 Kg6f5 52. Kd2xc2 Kf5f4 53. Kc2d2 Kf4g4 54. Kd2e3 Kg4xh4 55. f4 Kh4g3 56. Nb3d2 h4 57. Nd2e4 Kg3g4 58. Ne4f2 Kg4f5 59. Nf2h3 Kf5g4 60. Nh3f2 Kg4f5 61. Nf2h3 Kf5g4 62. Ke3d4 Kg4xh3 63. f5 Kh3g3 64. f6 h3 65. f7 h2 66. f8=Q h1=Q 67. Qf8g7 Kg3f2 68. Qg7f7 Kf2e2 69. Qf7e6 Ke2f2 1/2-1/2
Sebastian Yap
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06 Jan '14 07:072 edits
You have a mate in 23 after 54... Kxh4.

55. Na5 Ba8 56. b7 Bxb7 57. Nxb7 Kg4 58. f3+ Kg5 59. Nd6 h4 60. Ne4+ Kf5 61. Nf2 h3 62. Nxh3 Ke5 63. f4+ Kd5 64. Ng5 Kd6 65. Ke4 Kd7 66. f5 Ke7 67. Ke5 Kd8 68. f6 Kd7 69. f7 Ke7 70. Kd5 Kf8 71. Ke6 Kg7 72. Nh7 Kg6 73. f8=Q Kxh7 74. Qe8 Kg7 75. Qh5 Kg8 76. Kf6 Kf8 77. Qh8#.
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06 Jan '14 12:581 edit
Originally posted by Sebastian Yap
You have a mate in 23 after 54... Kxh4.

Mate in 23 lol, nice table base analysis...
greenpawn34
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06 Jan '14 13:49
Here

Instead of 31.Nd7+ 31.Qe7 wins.
No TB's for me, just your basic Rook and Knight mating patern.
31..Qxe7 (anything else just sheds a load of material.) 32.Rxe7
st40
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07 Jan '14 02:41

I'll have a quick look at the endgame...

here at move 51 you can go after his bishop with Nc5, which he must then give up for your b pawn, then you grab his c pawn with your king. He then gets a dangerous looking h pawn but with careful use of your f pawn your knight easily gets back if it needs to stop his h pawn leaving your f pawn free to queen
ChessPraxis
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07 Jan '14 02:57
Originally posted by greenpawn34
Here

[fen]3r1q1k/pb6/5Np1/2ppQ2p/8/1P3pPP/P1P2P2/4R1K1 w - - 0 31[/fen]
Instead of 31.Nd7+ 31.Qe7 wins.
No TB's for me, just your basic Rook and Knight mating patern.
31..Qxe7 (anything else just sheds a load of material.) 32.Rxe7

[fen]3r3k/pb2R3/5Np1/2pp3p/8/1P3pPP/P1P2P2/6K1 b - - 0 32[/fen]
Don't give the man such a simple winning plan. I wanna see the mate in 23. 😛
KnightStalker47
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07 Jan '14 04:582 edits
Originally posted by Sebastian Yap
You have a mate in 23 after 54... Kxh4.

55. Na5 Ba8 56. b7 Bxb7 57. Nxb7 Kg4 58. f3+ Kg5 59. Nd6 h4 60. Ne4+ Kf5 61. Nf2 h3 62. Nxh3 Ke5 63. f4+ Kd5 64. Ng5 Kd6 65. Ke4 Kd7 66. f5 Ke7 67. Ke5 Kd8 68. f6 Kd7 69. f7 Ke7 70. Kd5 Kf8 71. Ke6 Kg7 72. Nh7 Kg6 73. f8=Q Kxh7 74. Qe8 Kg7 75. Qh5 Kg8 76. Kf6 Kf8 77. Qh8#.
57...Kg4 is inaccurate Kg2 allows black to hold out a little longer.

I guess the engine you're using doesn't have an endgame tablebase.

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That might explain this game Game 10360875
Sebastian Yap
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07 Jan '14 06:081 edit
Originally posted by KnightStalker47
57...Kg4 is inaccurate Kg2 allows black to hold out a little longer.

I guess the engine you're using doesn't have an endgame tablebase.

[hidden]That might explain this game Game 10360875[/hidden]
I didnt use an engine for this. And my game your mentioned, it was clearly a draw due to the back rank defense. No engine and tablebase is needed.
greenpawn34
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07 Jan '14 12:101 edit
'That might explain this Game 10360875' (unhidden!)

At least it's good to know the 50 move rule works after the update.

In Blog 153 I covered loads of RHP wins in totally drawn Rook Endings.
(and that includes bare Rook v bare Rook)

http://www.redhotpawn.com/blog/blogread.php?blogpostid=153

One my best Blogs, it is one that I certainly enjoyed doing.
These two examples are good.

Jasper Aukes - ziggy15 RHP 2005

FEN 6K1/4k1P1/R7/8/6r1/8/8/8 w - - 0 82
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[FEN "6K1/4k1P1/R7/8/6r1/8/8/8 w - - 0 82"]

82. Kh7 {This is won. Rh4+ meets Rh6 Black resigned. No not yet, These Rooks endings hid terrors that will keep you awake for years.} 82... Kf7 {It's over. White can promote to a Queen with CHECK. Rxg8 and White plays Ra7+ winning the g8 Rook.} 83. Ra7+ Kf6 {I'd love to say that White promoted to a Queen and Black gave checkmate here with Rh4 but alas that did not happen. (see what I mean about hidden terrors.)} 84. g8=N+ {Good Grief. Ra6+ and going into the previous note wins. At least White saw the checkmate. This is now a standard draw. The Black King can go to e5, e6 or g5 the only square he must avoid is.....} 84... Kf5 {Oh Dear.} 85. Nh6+ {Black resigned.}

dfoote (1591) - rmaki1 (1407) RHP 2012

FEN 8/3n1R2/2k5/5K2/8/8/8/7r w - - 0 64
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[FEN "8/3n1R2/2k5/5K2/8/8/8/7r w - - 0 64"]

64. Ke4 Re1+ 65. Kd4 Rd1+ 66. Kc3 Kd5 {OOPS!....and a Double OOPS!} 67. Rxd7+ Ke4 68. Rxd1 {Black resigned. An RHP classic.}
thaughbaer
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07 Jan '14 21:32
Originally posted by Sebastian Yap
I didnt use an engine for this. And my game your mentioned, it was clearly a draw due to the back rank defense. No engine and tablebase is needed.
The question is why did you not accept the draw offer ?
Sebastian Yap
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08 Jan '14 00:54
Originally posted by thaughbaer
The question is why did you not accept the draw offer ?
Because he was abusive and keep on sending me abusive messages.
ChessPraxis
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08 Jan '14 04:34
Originally posted by Sebastian Yap
Because he was abusive and keep on sending me abusive messages.
Were they like "WTF are you trying to do? Post your rook on every possible square before we draw this?" 😛
It makes little sense to prolong a game with an abusive opponent. Chess players should be frank and blunt and to the point, but you don't deserve to be abused. So opt out, it's better for your soul my friend.
Sebastian Yap
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08 Jan '14 04:511 edit
Originally posted by ChessPraxis
Were they like "WTF are you trying to do? Post your rook on every possible square before we draw this?" 😛
It makes little sense to prolong a game with an abusive opponent. Chess players should be frank and blunt and to the point, but you don't deserve to be abused. So opt out, it's better for your soul my friend.
Because I reported him. The longer I prolong, the higher the chance Russ took action. Unfortunately, Russ is so busy that even now he has not read my message. According to my sent mail, it is still unread. Anyway, the abused started way before it was a clear draw. He was offering draw and writing unwanted messages every move.

EVENT	Open invite
SITE	http://www.redhotpawn.com
DATE	2013.12.16
ROUND	?
WHITE	Wayne Wicks
BLACK	billy2livers
RESULT	1/2-1/2
WHITEELO	1430
BLACKELO	1689

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Where did I go wrong in avoiding the draw?