Originally posted by RJHinds 1. If God exists, why wouldn't He create what He wanted fully formed rather than let whatever would be evolve from nothing over billions or so years?
2. If God exists, why would God take 13.72 billion years to create a world when He could do it in 6 days?
3. If God exists, why would God make man in the image of God, rather than just let whatever evolve from a primordial pool.
One answer to "2" is rather obvious.
If he wanted to create the universe as it is today - he could have.
But then tomorrow you have the same question:
Why did he not create today instead of yesterday? ad infinitum
If you believe in a Creator then he could have created the Universe at any point in time.
Originally posted by RJHinds Just a wild guess, but maybe evolution is not smart and has no intelligence and therefore, God must exist in order for man to exist.
Evolution is Natural Selection.
If god controls Nature then he is selecting the winners.
Just like we breed dogs.
Originally posted by wolfgang59 One answer to "2" is rather obvious.
If he wanted to create the universe as it is today - he could have.
But then tomorrow you have the same question:
Why did he not create today instead of yesterday? ad infinitum
If you believe in a Creator then he could have created the Universe at any point in time.
If God exists and wanted to create something, He had to start some time. Maybe in the beginning is a good time. So I say it is better early than late.
I guess I shouldn't have started this thread, but I was feeling bored. I guess I will just go to bed and try to sleep my boredom away. Maybe I'll have some nice dreams. Good night.
Originally posted by RJHinds If God exists and wanted to create something, He had to start some time. Maybe in the beginning is a good time. So I say it is better early than late.
How does what you say now have any effect on
when your god decided to get things rolling?
Originally posted by RJHinds I guess I shouldn't have started this thread, but I was feeling bored. I guess I will just go to bed and try to sleep my boredom away. Maybe I'll have some nice dreams. Good night.
Yep.
Don't ask questions if you don't want answers.
Originally posted by RJHinds 1. If God exists, why wouldn't He create what He wanted fully formed rather than let whatever would be evolve from nothing over billions or so years?
2. If God exists, why would God take 13.72 billion years to create a world when He could do it in 6 days?
3. If God exists, why would God make man in the image of God, rather than just let whatever evolve from a primordial pool.
If God exists and the Christians have it more or less right then there is a final judgement. For the final judgement to have any meaning we must have a choice about faith, in order for that to be a meaningful choice we need a universe which could have come about on its own. If it were obviously a creation then there could be no choice about belief.
What do you mean by create a world? In the account you subscribe to people lived for implausibly long time periods and then there was a global flood - so the world we know today took rather more than a week to produce. In the Scientific narrative the universe was created in an instant and then evolved into what we have today.
Possibly the notion that we were created in the image of God is a human conceit? Or, maybe this is at a spiritual, rather than physical, level.
Originally posted by DeepThought If God exists and the Christians have it more or less right then there is a final judgement. For the final judgement to have any meaning we must have a choice about faith, in order for that to be a meaningful choice we need a universe which could have come about on its own. If it were obviously a creation then there could be no choice about bel ...[text shortened]... image of God is a human conceit? Or, maybe this is at a spiritual, rather than physical, level.
Originally posted by BigDoggProblem I don't see how we can have a choice about faith.
It all depends on your definition of 'choice' and your understanding of free will.
If 'choice' implies random decision making, then you typically do not have a choice about belief.
If 'choice' implies using your brain and prior knowledge to decide something then you do have a choice about belief.
Faith is similar, but I think typically proceeds much more from an emotional sort of decision making than the more rational process that leads to belief. But it is actually more of a choice than belief is, in that it more heavily depends on your own internal psyche than on direct evidence.
Originally posted by BigDoggProblem I don't see how we can have a choice about faith.
It's a good point, that was why I had the conditionals in the first sentence. It's hardly fair to condemn someone to eternal suffering, or oblivion, or whatever is meant to happen if there is no choice in what we believe.
Originally posted by DeepThought It's a good point, that was why I had the conditionals in the first sentence. It's hardly fair to condemn someone to eternal suffering, or oblivion, or whatever is meant to happen if there is no choice in what we believe.
What is required for punishment of any kind to be fair?
If god exists - questions
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