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Location : Narrow Way Joined : 01 Oct '04 Moves : 7864 |  18 Feb '05 16:43 :: 0 recommendations For all those who believe in evolution, I think it is important to examine the founder of the theory of evolution. Maybe it is out of ignorance that you still believe his theory, or maybe you don't know who he was, so I'll try introduce him to you:
Charles Darwin (1809-1882) was born into wealth and able to have a life of ease. He took two years of medical school at Edinburgh University, and then dropped out. It was the only scientific training he ever received. Because he spent the time in the bars with his friends, he barely passed his courses. Darwin had no particular purpose in life, and his father planned to get him into a nicely paid job as an Anglican minister. Darwin did not object.
But an influential relative got him a position as unpaid "naturalist" on a ship planning to sail around the world, the Beagle. The voyage lasted from December 1831 to October 1836.
It is of interest that, after engaging in spiritism, certain men in history have been seized with a deep hatred of God and have then been guided to devise evil teachings, that have destroyed large numbers of people, while others have engaged in warfare which have annihilated millions. In connection with this, think of such known spiritists as Sigmund Freud and Adolf Hitler. It is not commonly known that Charles Darwin, while a naturalist aboard the Beagle, was initiated into witchcraft in South America by nationals. During horseback travels into the interior, he took part in their ceremonies and, as a result, something happened to him. Upon his return to England, although his health was strangely weakened, he spent the rest of his life working on theories to destroy faith in the Creator.
After leaving South America, Darwin was on the Galapagos Islands for a few days. While there, he saw some finches, which had blown in from South America and adapted to their environment, producing several sub-species. He was certain that this showed cross-species evolution (change into new species). But they were still finches. This theory about the finches was the primary evidence of evolution he brought back with him to England.
Darwin, never a scientist and knowing nothing about the practicalities of genetics, then married his first cousin, which resulted in all seven of his children having physical or mental disorders. (One girl died after birth, another at 10. His oldest daughter had a prolonged breakdown at 15. Three of his six sons became semi-invalids, and his last son was born mentally retarded and died 19 months after birth.)
His book, Origin of the Species, was first published in November 1859. The full title, On the Origin of the Species by Means of Natural Selection or the Preservation of Favoured Races in the Struggle for Life, reveals the viciousness of the underlying concept; this concept led directly to two of the worst wars in the history of mankind.
In his book, Darwin reasoned from theory to facts, and provided little evidence for what he had to say. Modern evolutionists are ashamed of the book, with its ridiculous arguments.
Darwin’s book had what some men wanted: a clear out-in-the-open, current statement in favor of species change. So, in spite of its laughable imperfections, they capitalized on it. Here is what you will find in his book:
Darwin would cite authorities that he did not mention. He repeatedly said it was "only an abstract," and "a fuller edition" would come out later. But, although he wrote other books, try as he may he never could find the proof for his theories. No one since has found it either.
When he did name an authority, it was just an opinion from a letter. Phrases indicating the hypothetical nature of his ideas were frequent: "It might have been," "Maybe," "probably," "it is conceivable that." A favorite of his was: "Let us take an imaginary example."
Darwin would suggest a possibility, and later refer back to it as a fact: "As we have already demonstrated previously." Elsewhere he would suggest a possible series of events and then conclude by assuming that proved the point.
He relied heavily on stories instead of facts. Confusing examples would be given. He would use specious and devious arguments, and spent much time suggesting possible explanations why the facts he needed were not available.
Here is an example of his reasoning:
To explain the fossil trans-species gaps, Darwin suggested that species must have been changing quickly in other parts of the world where men had not yet examined the strata. Later these changed species traveled over to the Western World, to be found in strata there as new species. So species were changing on the other side of the world, and that was why species in the process of change were not found on our side! To explain the fossil trans-species gaps, Darwin suggested that species must have been changing quickly in other parts of the world where men had not yet examined the strata. Later these changed species traveled over to the Western World, to be found in strata there as new species. So species were changing on the other side of the world, and that was why species in the process of change were not found on our side!
With thinking like this, who needs science? But remember that Charles Darwin never had a day of schooling in the sciences.
Here is Darwin’s explanation of how one species changes into another:
It is a variation of Lamarck’s theory of inheritance of acquired characteristics (Nicholas Hutton III, Evidence of Evolution, 1962, p. 138). Calling it pangenesis, Darwin said that an organ affected by the environment would respond by giving off particles that he called gemmules. These particles supposedly helped determine hereditary characteristics. The environment would affect an organ; gemmules would drop out of the organ; and the gemmules would travel to the reproductive organs, where they would affect the cells (W. Stansfield, Science of Evolution, 1977, p. 38). As mentioned earlier, scientists today are ashamed of Darwin’s ideas.
In his book, Darwin taught that man came from an ape, and that the stronger races would, within a century or two, destroy the weaker ones. (Modern evolutionists claim that man and ape descended from a common ancestor.)
After taking part in the witchcraft ceremonies, not only was his mind affected but his body also. He developed a chronic and incapacitating illness, and went to his death under a depression he could not shake (Random House Encyclopedia, 1977, p. 768).
He frequently commented in private letters that he recognized that there was no evidence for his theory, and that it could destroy the morality of the human race. "Long before the reader has arrived at this part of my work, a crowd of difficulties will have occurred to him. Some of them are so serious that to this day I can hardly reflect on them without in some degree becoming staggered" (Charles Darwin, Origin of the Species, 1860, p. 178; quoted from Harvard Classics, 1909 ed., Vol. 11). "Often a cold shudder has run through me, and I have asked myself whether I may have not devoted myself to a phantasy" (Charles Darwin, Life and Letters, 1887, Vol. 2, p. 229).
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| | | | | Location : Groningen Joined : 16 Jan '05 Moves : 2293 |  18 Feb '05 17:11 :: 0 recommendations Originally posted by dj2becker
It is of interest that, after engaging in spiritism, certain men in history have been seized with a deep hatred of God and have then been guided to devise evil teachings, that have destroyed large numbers of people, while others have engaged in warfare which have annihilated millions. In connection with this, think of such known spiritists as Sigmund Freud ...[text shortened]... ly weakened, he spent the rest of his life working on theories to destroy faith in the Creator. When criticising Darwins theory you should come up with some better theory. And don't come up with creationism where the main line of argument runs as follows: Oh! look how ingenious the world is put together, someone must have created it. Pointing at some metaphysical 'thing' won't help us any further, as no proof for it's existence can be given.
I also don't see any evil originating from Darwins theory. Can you give some examples? If there aren't any, why bother with people believing an , in your eyes, unproven theory. God is als an unproven theory.
| | | | | Location : Narrow Way Joined : 01 Oct '04 Moves : 7864 |  18 Feb '05 18:57 :: 0 recommendations Originally posted by mikkip
When criticising Darwins theory you should come up with some better theory. And don't come up with creationism where the main line of argument runs as follows: Oh! look how ingenious the world is put together, someone must have created it. Pointing at some metaphysical 'thing' won't help us any further, as no proof for it's existence can be given.
I al ...[text shortened]... ther with people believing an , in your eyes, unproven theory. God is als an unproven theory.
All I am saying is that Darwins "Theory" is utterly fallible, and I am trying to correct a gentleman who refered to evolution as a "fact". As to the evils originating from Darwins theory, there are many. Morality and ethical standards have been greatly reduced. Children and youth are taught in school that they are an advanced level of animals; there are no moral principles. Since they are just animals, they should do whatever they want. Personal survival and success will come only by rivalry, strife, and stepping on others.
| | | | | Location : Narrow Way Joined : 01 Oct '04 Moves : 7864 |  18 Feb '05 19:03 :: 0 recommendations Originally posted by mikkip
... why bother with people believing an, in your eyes, unproven theory. God is also an unproven theory...
Prior to the middle of the 1800s, scientists were researchers who firmly believed that all nature was made by a Master Designer. Those pioneers who laid the foundations of modern science were creationists. They were men of giant intellect who struggled against great odds in carrying on their work. They were hard-working researchers.
In contrast, the philosophers sat around, hardly stirring from their armchairs and theorized about everything while the scientists, ignoring them, kept at their work.
But a change came about in the 19th century, when the philosophers tried to gain control of scientific endeavor and suppress research and findings that would be unfavorable to their theories. Today’s evolutionists vigorously defend the unscientific theories they thought up over a century ago.
| | | | | Location : Narrow Way Joined : 01 Oct '04 Moves : 7864 |  18 Feb '05 19:10 :: 0 recommendations Originally posted by mikkip
When criticising Darwins theory you should come up with some better theory. And don't come up with creationism where the main line of argument runs as follows: Oh! look how ingenious the world is put together, someone must have created it. Pointing at some metaphysical 'thing' won't help us any further, as no proof for it's existence can be given. William Paley (1743-1805), in his 1802 classic, Natural Theology, summarized the viewpoint of the scientists. He argued that the kind of carefully designed structures we see in the living world point clearly to a Designer. If we see a watch, we know that it had a designer and maker; it would be foolish to imagine that it made itself. This is the "argument by design." All about us is the world of nature, and over our heads at night is a universe of stars. We can ignore or ridicule what is there or say it all made itself, but our scoffing does not change the reality of the situation. A leading atheistic scientist of our time, Fred Hoyle, wrote that, although it was not difficult to disprove Darwinism, what Paley had to say appeared likely to be unanswerable (Fred Hoyle and Chandra Wickramasinghe, Evolution from Space, 1981, p. 96).
| | | | | Location : Narrow Way Joined : 01 Oct '04 Moves : 7864 |  18 Feb '05 19:47 :: 0 recommendations Originally posted by mikkip
I also don't see any evil originating from Darwins theory. Can you give some examples? World War I (1917-1918). Darwinism basically taught that there is no moral code, our ancestors were savage, and civilization only progressed by violence against others. It therefore led to extreme nationalism, racism, and warfare through Nazism and Fascism. Evolution was declared to involve "natural selection"; and, in the struggle to survive, the fittest will win out at the expense of their rivals. Frederich von Bernhard, a German military officer, wrote a book in 1909 extolling evolution and appealing to Germany to start another war. Heinrich von Treitsche, a Prussian militarist, loudly called for war by Germany in order to fulfill its "evolutionary destiny" (Heinrich G. von Treitsche, Politics, Vol. 1, pp. 66-67). Their teachings were fully adopted by the German government, and it only waited for a pretext to start the war (R. Milner, Encyclopedia of Evolution, 1990, p. 59).
Communist Darwinism. Marx and Engels’ acceptance of evolutionary theory made Darwin’s theory the "scientific" basis of all later communist ideologies (Robert M. Young, "The Darwin Debate," in Marxism Today, Vol. 26, April 1982, p. 21). Communist teaching declared that evolutionary change, which taught class struggle, came by revolution and violent uprisings. Communist dogma declares that Lamarckism (inheritance of acquired characteristics) is the mechanism by which this is done. Mendelian genetics was officially outlawed in Russia in 1948, since it was recognized as disproving evolution. Communist theorists also settled on "synthetic speciation" instead of natural selection or mutations as the mechanism for species change (L.B. Halstead, "Museum of Errors," in Nature, November 20, 1980, p. 208). This concept is identical to the sudden change theory of Goldschmidt and Gould.
| | | | | The Apologist Joined : 22 Dec '04 Moves : 17554 |  18 Feb '05 20:30 :: 0 recommendations I beg all of you who have been taken in by evolution. Someone created this universe. Your question should be who? Good becker, and I, are attempting to convince you it is the God of the Bible.
Buddhism teaches enlightenment. It's about reaching happiness. It does not address how we came to be or where we're going.
Hinduism teaches many strange things, such as reincarnation. How does reincarnation address the inevitable 1st birth? How does it account for population growth if we're all recycled? And it relies heavily on an oppressive caste system.
Islam is an evil off-shoot of Judaism/Christianity. The god Allah in no way resembles the loving God of the Bible. Allah commands his followers to kill unbelievers, and to bring the world under Islamic control by the sword. the prophet Mohammed, the founder of the religion, when pressed to perform miracles to prove what he said, commanded them to read a passage from the Koran instead.
Jesus Christ was a man that shook the world's foundations. If you just READ what he said, you will see he had insight from God. He loves you more than you can ever know, and it grieves him to no end that you scoff at him. I PROMISE you, if you gave him a fair chance, as much of a chance as you gave evolution, he would tug on the strings of your heart.
Most of the time, it is underlying emotional issues that prevent us. I know for me, my parents didn't have the best marriage, and I wondered how a God could be so cold and uncaring. But no no, years later, I realized that it is through pain that we grow! Through pain that he brings us closer to him! Who can help us in the dark, cold, lonely places we go? Christ Jesus! When you realize this, an amazing feeling comes over and stays with you. You literally FEEL his love for you. And I promise you, he answers all of my prayers. It is uncanny to me how he could love me so much.
| | | | | BentnevolentDictater 1 edit Location : x10,y45,z-88,t3.1415 Joined : 26 Jan '03 Moves : 1644 |  18 Feb '05 20:58 :: 0 recommendations Originally posted by dj2becker
For all those who believe in evolution, I think it is important to examine the founder of the theory of evolution. Maybe it is out of ignorance that you still believe his theory, or maybe you don't know who he was, so I'll try introduce ...[text shortened]... ?varFolder=CreationEvolution&varPage=HistoryofEvolutionPartOne.jsp dj,
Like most people, he (Darwin) took himself way too seriously.
Science is not a thing to be believed. It is just the current level of discovery. If it can be tested and experiments can be devised, performed and reproduced by others, then we take that as the current best knowledge available. Nothing more. Certainly not a dogma or set of beliefs to last a life time.
When other ideas surpass and give a better match to the universe, we simple drop the old and adopt the new. These in turn are discarded as better ideas more closely match the universe.
Science isn't to be believed. Just observed.
Another famous old saying I just made up.
Was/Is Darwin right? Seems to hold up pretty well so far, but who knows? We are a very young bunch of rowdies on this mud ball. Time will tell, and that is what science is about. | | | | | Joined : 12 Nov '03 Moves : 2508 |  18 Feb '05 23:08 :: 0 recommendations Originally posted by dj2becker
For all those who believe in evolution, I think it is important to examine the founder of the theory of evolution. Maybe it is out of ignorance that you still believe his theory, or maybe you don't know who he was, so I'll try introduce him to you:
Charles Darwin (1809-1882) was born into wealth and able to have a life of ease. He took two years of me ...[text shortened]... Edinburgh University, and then dropped out. It was the only scientific training he ever received. ] No need to dig into the biographies of creationists to see what sort of people they are - the sort who engage in vicious ad hominem attacks because they are incapable of understanding the issues - and are prepared to lie in the process.
Not that it matters, but as any one can easily check, much of dj2becker's diatribe is false - in fact, Darwin was a Cambridge graduate and while there received tuition in Geology and Natural History. He was placed 10th out of 178 in his final exam.
His theory, like any scientific theory, stands on its own merits, not the character or status of the proponent. So-called creationist theories do not stand up any sort of rational scrutiny, just an appeal to the authority of the Bible.
If you are going to rebut theory of evolution by attacking Darwin, maybe you should apply the same argument to the Bible. How many of the Bible's authors had a university education? Paul for example, "was born into wealth and able to have a life of ease". How much scientific training did he receive? and where did he get it?
Or lets examine the credentials of Jesus - the illegitimate son of a Roman soldier who learnt carpentry from his 'uncle'.
| | | | | The Apologist Joined : 22 Dec '04 Moves : 17554 |  18 Feb '05 23:14 :: 0 recommendations Originally posted by John G
No need to dig into the biographies of creationists to see what sort of people they are - the sort who engage in vicious ad hominem attacks because they are incapable of understanding the issues - and are prepared to lie in the process.
Not that it matters, but as any one can easily check, much of dj2becker's diatribe is false - in fact, Darwin was a C ...[text shortened]... of Jesus - the illegitimate son of a Roman soldier who learnt carpentry from his 'uncle'.
You've been reading too much Dan Brown.
Remember, that's FICTION. Don't lie to yourself to make you feel more comfortable. Do some freaking research. | | | | | 7 edits Location : The moral highground Joined : 06 May '04 Moves : 14820 |  18 Feb '05 23:16 :: 0 recommendations Darwin in on our £5 notes, on the other side in the queen, head of the church.
| | | | | Joined : 13 Aug '04 Moves : 563 |  18 Feb '05 23:20 :: 0 recommendations Originally posted by dj2becker
For all those who believe in evolution, I think it is important to examine the founder of the theory of evolution. Maybe it is out of ignorance that you still believe his theory, or maybe you don't know who he was, so I'll try introduce him to you:
Charles Darwin (1809-1882) was born into wealth and able to have a life of ease. He took two years of me ...[text shortened]... www.drdino.com/QandA/index.jsp?varFolder=CreationEvolution&varPage=HistoryofEvolutionPartOne.jsp all Darwin tried to do was try to give us a more credible explanation for life because the god/creation stuff was just so implausible and stupid, his model is an improvement, but anything would be on the god/creation model.
even the outerspace pollination theory is more plausible than that | | | | | The Apologist Joined : 22 Dec '04 Moves : 17554 |  19 Feb '05 01:06 :: 0 recommendations Originally posted by silver fern
all Darwin tried to do was try to give us a more credible explanation for life because the god/creation stuff was just so implausible and stupid, his model is an improvement, but anything would be on the god/creation model.
even the outerspace pollination theory is more plausible than that No, it isn't. Eventually you'd still get to the first source of life, and where'd it come from?
Can any atheists tell me where the universe comes from? Don't come back with anything about where did God come from, because He's a sentient being with powers that we can't comprehend. The universe is a thing. Tell me where it came from. Until then, you have ZERO right to call someone irrational. Honestly, it's pretty funny when you do. | | | | | BentnevolentDictater Location : x10,y45,z-88,t3.1415 Joined : 26 Jan '03 Moves : 1644 |  19 Feb '05 01:09 :: 0 recommendations Originally posted by Darfius
No, it isn't. Eventually you'd still get to the first source of life, and where'd it come from?
Can any atheists tell me where the universe comes from? Don't come back with anything about where did God come from, because He's a sentient being with powers that we can't comprehend. The universe is a thing. Tell me where it came from. Until then, you have ZERO right to call someone irrational. Honestly, it's pretty funny when you do. Sure. It comes from what happened.
That was easy.
The goal of science then becomes to "figure out" what happened.
It did happen. Right?
I mean, we are. Right?
Reality is real. Right? | | | | | The Apologist Joined : 22 Dec '04 Moves : 17554 |  19 Feb '05 01:20 :: 0 recommendations Originally posted by StarValleyWy
Sure. It comes from what happened.
That was easy.
The goal of science then becomes to "figure out" what happened.
It did happen. Right?
I mean, we are. Right?
Reality is real. Right? What if what happened was God? And He will never reveal that completely to us because he wants faith? What then? Will you go to your grave content in the fact that you never made the same mistake only gullible old ladies make and put your trust in the One who loves you unconditonally? Hell, even Einstein said there had to be a God, but I'm sure your IQ puts his to shame. | | | | |
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