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Location : jupiter
Joined : 28 Oct '02
Moves : 29154
I've been trying to play Wwarriors black opening, I think it's the Pirc(I could be wrong). Because it seems to work 4 him, and he uses it against any white opening.....but this opening is not in any of my books(I only have 2).Where can I learn more(auther, title)? And what do U think of this opening?

  
I have a problem
Location : Your Kingside
Joined : 28 Sep '01
Moves : 37705
The Exeter Homepage or ChessOps may have something on it......search for them or go to Chessopolis.com for the links.......The Pirc is good but it requires more knowledge than just playing natural chess.....I think Black plays on the Q-Side and in the Center and white plays on the Kingside and mostly looks for either e5 or Qd2/Bh6/h5 to rip open the h-file and attack.......I could be completely wrong though.....I would like to have wWarrior give his opinion!

  
Location : Virginia
Joined : 14 Apr '02
Moves : 4059
Originally posted by !~TONY~!
The Exeter Homepage or ChessOps may have something on it......search for them or go to Chessopolis.com for the links.......The Pirc is good but it requires more knowledge than just playing natural chess.....I think Black plays on the Q-Side and in the Center and white plays on the Kingside and mostly looks for either e5 or Qd2/Bh6/h5 to rip open the h-file ...[text shortened]... ack.......I could be completely wrong though.....I would like to have wWarrior give his opinion!


Hi guys! Not posting much to the forums these days though I am happy to say they have calmed down quite a lot in the last little while. I still read posts in this forum in particular and, since this is directed to me, I will do a bit to respond.
It is true that I use a 1...d6 system against anything White throws up though I have been known to open with Nf6 and g6 on occassion since I returned to chess. The same transpositions *tend* to happen from any of the three. It is based on the Pirc/Modern with some pieces from the Philidor, Old Indian and and a hodge-podge of other openings. Many of the lines are not named at all or they transpose enough as to give names little meaning.
Tony pretty much nails the two plans I see most often: pushing the f-pawn and the e-pawn or the h-pawn. Black often attempts counterplay with the c&b-pawns and sometimes with his e-pqn if White allows that. The Q & B line up against h6 is typical against a Black fianchetto on the K-side (true also in the KID and some lines of the Sicilian).
Per the "natural chess" comment, I always found I had to be more booked up to play or play against a Ruy or a Sic than I do with this system where I play mostly concepts but that may simply be me - I do well in hypermodern positons.
For books on learning the Pirc, Pirc Alert (Albert/Chernin) is good in that it will teach the concepts. I have played most of the lines and yes it does have some holes (all books do) but the ideas are explained well. The more definitive (and older) work is Ultimate Pirc (Nunn/McNab) which has more detailed analysis but is more of a reference manual. I will say also that I do not agree with all recommendations in these books but that is to be expected. I have not found a lot on the web that is overly useful except the games databases.
Hope this all helps - just a little.
-ww-

  
I have a problem
Location : Your Kingside
Joined : 28 Sep '01
Moves : 37705
I have the Ultimate Pirc and wish I had Pirc Alert instead......The Ultimate Pirc is pages and pages of games and lines......good for here but hard to learn from!

  
Location : jupiter
Joined : 28 Oct '02
Moves : 29154
I thank both of U(Tony&Wwarrior)4 your posts...I've been getting in trouble with the opening lately.And plan on looking up those books...if either of U could challenge me unrated and tutor me, that would be great. But if U can't that's o.k........thanx.

  
gOOpie
Location : Toronto
Joined : 13 Jan '03
Moves : 34432
I have several books on the Pirc, as it is one of my favourite black openings. The book that I found most useful is `The Pirc Defense` by GM Alexander Chernin and Jan R. Cartier. It looks at the main lines, in a fair bit of detail, but provides a lot of "layman-type" explanation for various moves. It gave me a better understanding of the WHY rather then just memorizing what to move when.

Most of the other books about the Pirc are, as wWarrior says, more of reference manuals. On the flip side of the board, I also have `Beating the Pirc/Modern with the Fianchetto Variation` by GM Andrew Soltis... as with most of his books, it is written towards the amatuer player and has more in the way of explanations rather then just listings of varations.

  
Location : jupiter
Joined : 28 Oct '02
Moves : 29154
I just got "The Pirc Defense" and it all ready has helped me.....thanx.

  
Lightly Salted...
Location : Brothaz Wit Attitude
Joined : 18 Jul '01
Moves : 34931
My Dad and I share Pirc Alert and Nunn's book, although, as it has already been said, Nunn's book is more reference than anything else. I'm new to the Pirc but have found the idea fairly easy for me. Counter attacking with the 'c' pawn and 'e' pawn fits well with how I like to play. It has the 'feel' of an Indian defense and I like to transpose (or try to) into the Pirc no matter what White plays. Although it is a very solid defense I've found that you do have to be careful in the beginning or you can get into trouble.