When darts was first invented it actually went to court, as the English licensing laws require that there is no gambling on licenced (ie for the sale of alcohol) premises. Its inventor showed that there was enough of an element of skill involved in the game to avoid the law see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darts and look at history, and so if darts isn't gambling then I think that chess escapes on the same grounds.
it's possible to gamble with chess, like the park hustlers. in effect, they make a bet on the outcome of the game. it's an oral contract.
in chess tourney, you pay an entry fee, which is in no way attached to the outcome of the games. you might get a prize or not, but it's still not attached to the entry fee. the tournament could even be free to enter, and still have prizes.
I think the difference is in the unwritten contract.
there probably is room for philosophical debate, but I think the religious interpretation of gambling is about preventing you of hustling others or destroying your own well-being, not about contract law.
Originally posted by DoctorScribbles Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan...
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Originally posted by dottewell Yeah, but they didn't call them the TabiBAN for nothing!
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in chess tourney, you pay an entry fee, which is in no way attached to the outcome of the games. you might get a prize or not, but it's still not attached to the entry fee.
I don't think you know what you're talking about.
The prize pool of every major USCF event is composed of the total entry fees minus the cut that the organizer takes for running the event. Although sometimes it is supplemented by a guaranteed fund or other sponsorship, the amount of the prize pool is primarily a function of the number of entrants and the entry fee.
The prize pool is distributed according to the outcomes of the games, with those players scoring the most points receiving the highest portions of the prize pool.
Originally posted by wormwood most people are not u.s. citizens.
You made a universal claim about chess tournaments having prize money unrelated to entry fees. USCF tournaments serve as a counterexample that demonstrates your claim to be false.
Originally posted by DoctorScribbles You made a universal claim about chess tournaments having prize money unrelated to entry fees. USCF tournaments serve as a counterexample that demonstrates your claim to be false.
so, you believe taking part to an uscf tournament is gambling?
It depends on what you mean by gambling-- the word has two meanings. The broader one is any game that you play for money. But I think more commonly the term is used to refer to games with an element of chance or uncertainty-- something outside the control of the players. Chess would qualify under the first definition but not the second.
Once chess was frequently played with dice (for example, you might roll a die that would tell you which piece to move). I believe that one of the reasons the dice fell out of favor was an attempt to avoid ecclesiastical laws against gambling.
Is Chess gambling?
30 Jun '06 21:02
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