Clan Leader vote

Originally posted by Giannotti
action is called for, and i have confidence in Russ

i'm hoping for a simple point rollback to address collusion
they're not bad guys, i think they were just making a point

after the correction...
RHP needs to take a fresh look at clan play and how it is scored

with their help, we'll get this all sorted out

2 most immediate issues to address are:
1 - fix the corrupt data in the clan tables for 2016 & 2017. Statistics out of whack.
2 - address the corrective action for the collusion in 2016.

Then we should all sit back and let things cool off a bit.
I'm sure Russ has other site issues on his plate.
He put in some effort trying to improve the clan feature.
It just didn't go over as well as he would have hoped.

#1 above has to fixed ASAP or the 2017 clan season is a write-off.

Then we can cool off and then look to improvements to the system, if Russ is willing.

I am not out for vengeance or payback either. Just want things made right.
And I am no longer interested in discussing how we got to this point.
So I won't bother asking what point the colluders were trying to make.
I'm done with that.

Originally posted by Giannotti
action is called for, and i have confidence in Russ

i'm hoping for a simple point rollback to address collusion
they're not bad guys, i think they were just making a point

after the correction...
RHP needs to take a fresh look at clan play and how it is scored

with their help, we'll get this all sorted out

There was one bad guy
One person had an idea that ELO would stop Metallica from being the dominant force in the clan system
He used other people ( not sure if they were aware of it or not ) to bring complete chaos to the clan system and should be suitably punished
All he really had to do was put as much effort into it as Metallica had done
While I agree the points system needs altering , he went about it the wrong way

I wish I had as much confidence in Russ as you do
I am sure the only reason he voted in favour of ELO was because he had done so much work on it to make it happen
He should have worked out what it would mean if it was implemented

Originally posted by padger
There was one bad guy
One person had an idea that ELO would stop Metallica from being the dominant force in the clan system
He used other people ( not sure if they were aware of it or not ) to bring complete chaos to the clan system and should be suitably punished
All he really had to do was put as much effort into it as Metallica had done
While I agree ...[text shortened]... work on it to make it happen
He should have worked out what it would mean if it was implemented

But this was Russ mistake, to realize an idea before wote, what the clanleader really want.
Also the possible alternatives of the vote was not the best choice.
There was more alternatives for Net-system and only one alternative for ELO-system.
The vote has a lucky end, because a netpoint alternative have won. Only 4 votes more for the ELO-System and 33+4 votes would win against 27+36+7 (=70 from 112+4 - 60,34 % ) for staying for the netpoint-system.

A Voting in two steps would be better
1. A new System Yes or no
2.1 If no, what should be Change!
2.2 If yes, what should the new function could do!

Originally posted by padger
There was one bad guy
One person had an idea that ELO would stop Metallica from being the dominant force in the clan system
He used other people ( not sure if they were aware of it or not ) to bring complete chaos to the clan system and should be suitably punished
All he really had to do was put as much effort into it as Metallica had done
While I agree ...[text shortened]... work on it to make it happen
He should have worked out what it would mean if it was implemented

I think you are being too narrow on placing the blame.
McTayto has been stirring it up for a long while.
Robbie, more than likely was the mastermind of the plot.
I don't think McTayto is smart enough to put it together by himself.
Then, between the two of them, they recruited pigeons to do their biding.
Robbie had the gall to claim he was anything other than the shyster that he is.
There are plenty to punish. Don't forget the suck up Vespin.
He was dirty the year before. He is still dirty.
Round them all up.

And yet Vespin didn't vote for ELO
I think he was just used by Robbie
If you look at some of the challenges, Robbie, made sure he could win against the lower clans because they did not check to see if he was doing lopsided challenges
He made sure that his side was always as close as possible to the 200 limit to his advantage
He used all three over and over again
Lazy and unsporting leadership
He is the one that should be punished
If you are saying that Mctayto should also be punished for sandbagging, then what about Lemondrop who also does it

I'm seeing a new rating on the Clan's page, but I don't know how it is derived

It looks like Russ is experimenting again

Originally posted by Giannotti
I'm seeing a new rating on the Clan's page, but I don't know how it is derived

It looks like Russ is experimenting again

I wish he would fix the skewed clan scoring for 2016 and 2017.

All of his tinkering has mucked up the mix apparently.

Originally posted by Giannotti
I'm seeing a new rating on the Clan's page, but I don't know how it is derived

It looks like Russ is experimenting again

I think he is trying to fix the data which is linked to the clan rating metric.

Clan rating is no longer under consideration in future state.
But the programming for it is still in place.

So the numbers will fluctuate while the repair to the other data is being progressed.

Originally posted by mghrn55
I think he is trying to fix the data which is linked to the clan rating metric.

Clan rating is no longer under consideration in future state.
But the programming for it is still in place.

So the numbers will fluctuate while the repair to the other data is being progressed.

He shouldn't be updating / experimenting on the production server. Sigh.

Originally posted by BigDoggProblem
He shouldn't be updating / experimenting on the production server. Sigh.

ok, yeah, on the production server bit, but...

at least we know he's working on it

and there's a certain amount of transparency for us in his process

Originally posted by Giannotti
ok, yeah, on the production server bit, but...

at least we know he's working on it

and there's a certain amount of transparency for us in his process

Do we?

That sort of obvious error remaining uncorrected for days on end reeks of procrastination.

Originally posted by BigDoggProblem
Do we?

That sort of obvious error remaining uncorrected for days on end reeks of procrastination.

One thing is certain.
The statistics have to be fixed before the points rollback can be done.

I personally think this is a mess.
2016 might be easier to fix than 2017 because 2017 is in progress.
And the 2017 points totals are changing daily.

I think site is trying to fix this but this is a mess.

Originally posted by mghrn55
One thing is certain.
The statistics have to be fixed before the points rollback can be done.

I personally think this is a mess.
2016 might be easier to fix than 2017 because 2017 is in progress.
And the 2017 points totals are changing daily.

I think site is trying to fix this but this is a mess.

It is nice to see that the statistics bug on the clan tables 2016 & 2017 has been repaired.

Thanks Russ.

Originally posted by shortcircuit
I think you are being too narrow on placing the blame.
McTayto has been stirring it up for a long while.
Robbie, more than likely was the mastermind of the plot.
I don't think McTayto is smart enough to put it together by himself.
Then, between the two of them, they recruited pigeons to do their biding.
Robbie had the gall to claim he was anything ...[text shortened]... forget the suck up Vespin.
He was dirty the year before. He is still dirty.
Round them all up.

Your still crying? Now Now. No need for name calling Santa. Not smart enough? Your IQ is not half of what his is. You have to PROVE intent for collusion. All the numbers in the world wont matter.

Also, I play everyone. In fact, on page one, except for you, I am playing almost everyone, and at the max three games. I don't care if we win or lose during this point. At some point, I will, and I will within the rules make a run for the first page. Playing Robbie's clan is within the rules, and there is nothing wrong with it.

I don't have to decline because it will hurt your clan. Work harder and maybe you will win. Until then, Robbie won fair and square.

I find it really interesting that you use words like "mastermind" and "plot" when talking about a chess site. You do realize it's chess right? Not national secrets? lol lol

As for my clan being dirty and myself? Wrong again. My clan was suspended, but not for collusion. Please get your facts straight before opening your mouth. But then again, that is what you are best at.

That and eating to much. 🙂

Originally posted by VESPIN
Your still crying? Now Now. No need for name calling Santa. Not smart enough? Your IQ is not half of what his is. You have to PROVE intent for collusion. All the numbers in the world wont matter.

Also, I play everyone. In fact, on page one, except for you, I am playing almost everyone, and at the max three games. I don't care if we win or lose during t ...[text shortened]... pening your mouth. But then again, that is what you are best at.

That and eating to much. 🙂

The timing of your post is impeccable. 😀