Originally posted by roigam
He 3:4 Of course, every house is constructed by someone, but the one who constructed all things is God.
Is the point of using the verse only to show that God has ownership over the universe ?
That would be peculiar to me because the writer says the house of God is the people belonging to the Son of God. In other words the main burden of the verse seems not simply to be God is the creator and owner of the universeb but that within this universe He has a special relationship with those who belong to the Son - they are His house.
"For every house is built by someone, but He who built all things is God (v.4)... But Christ was faithful as a Son over His house, whose house we are if indeed we hold fast the boldness and the boast of hope firm to the end." (v.6)
Within His created universe there is a special entity which is God's house. And they are the
Son's redeemed, sanctified, and indwelt people.
You seem to be giving lip service the biblical fact of God's house, yet I think all you are really interested in is God's universe.
The universe is God's creation, His intellectual property, so legally He can do whatever He wants to do with it (including us), or for it.
That is certainly true. However it is peculiar that many many other passages could be used to demonstrate this. Why did you choose one that ends up being about an entity WITHIN the universe - the house of the Son ? That is the church.
What He wants to do is: (1 Timothy 2:4) whose will is that all sorts of people should be saved and come to an accurate knowledge of truth.
This is true.
" [Our Savior God] Who desires all men to be saved and to come to the full knowledge of the truth."
That is
First Timothy 2:4. But in the very same book,
"the house of God" is
"the church of the living God" .
You started this thread with a reference to God's house. But so far upon close examination, you are not really concerned with God's house, the Son's house, or the church of the living God. You are concerned simply with God's universe over which He has ownership and right.
The EKKLESIA - (the called out assembly) is a corporate vessel of the mingling of God and man. This is the full knowledge of the truth. That is the truth that God desires to dispense Himself into man for the building up of His house within the created universe.
"But if I delay, I write that you may know how one ought to conduct himself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and base of the truth." (1 Tim. 3:14,15)
The full knowledge of the truth MUST concern
"the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the PILLAR and BASE of the truth."
You started this thread with reference to the Son's house in
Hebrews 3:4. You continue with a word about God wanting men to come to the knowledge of the truth. But I question if
"the truth" you speak of neglects the
"pillar and base" which HOLDS UP the truth - the house of God.
The eternal plan of God is to have a living house filled with the living God - the church. This is the pillar of the truth. And this is the base of the truth.
It appears that you are only giving passing lip service to the matter of the church. But your real aim is just to speak of a blessed universe. This is how Jehovah's Witnesses think.
You do not appreciate that Jesus Christ was the house of God - meaning the prototype of God mingled with man. And His eternal purpose is to expand and enlarge this house of God into
New Jerusalem.
He also will do away with death: (Revelation 21:4) And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, and death will be no more, neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”
That may meet MAN's dire need. What about the NEED of God ?
What you emphasize may meet MAN'S need to be blessed, happy, fortunate in God's creation.
What about God's need to make for HIMSELF a dwelling place in humanity so that the church becomes the dwelling place of God as His habitation ?
" In whom all the building, being fitted together, is growing into a holy temple in the Lord. In whom you also are being built together into a dwelling place of God in spirit." (Eph. 2:21,22)
As I have shown, this habitation of God, this dwelling place of God in man is
"the pillar and base of the truth."
We cannot argue with God legally and He loves us and wants good for us. Why should we refuse the good He wants for us?
Besides that, when people die they believe they go to haven. When God does away with death, how can people go to heaven?
Is it possible that when we die we just go into the Grave?
There is not much difference in the superficial believe that God wants to take people to heaven forever, and the superficial belief that God only wants a blessed earth for man to be happy on.
The [b]"pillar and base of the truth"{/b] is the church, the house of the living God. The temple growing up where God and man are united and mingled as one.
(Genesis 3:19) In the sweat of your face you will eat bread until you return to the ground, for out of it you were taken. For dust you are and to dust you will return.”
These things you write are not wrong. But they are very short of the goal of God's house, God's living temple, God dwelling in His habitation as the church of the living God.