Imagine

I found it deeply disturbing that the recent 42nd chess Olympiad in Baku should feature what is essentially an Atheist anthem, John Lennon's, Imagine. Now I am not against atheists having anthems (or pointy ears), or singing, lighting candles or offering incense up to an effigy of Charles Darwin or even expressing their perspective but this appeared to me to be something a little more sinister. Why? Simply put the song is often heralded as quite innocuous, a sugary coated vision of all inclusive diversity and world peace when infact it contains clear anti religious and atheistic sentiment. However I note with some satisfaction that apart from some godless commies from China none of those who sang it won anything. Thank goodness that Grandmaster Wesley So thanks the Lord for his victories, a clear indication of divine favour.

Or maybe, just maybe....Imagine is an absolutely wonderful song, sung beautifully.

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
Thank goodness that Grandmaster Wesley So thanks the Lord for his victories, a clear indication of divine favour.

So God helped Wesley cheat? The victory wasn't earned on his own?

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I found it deeply disturbing that the recent 42nd chess Olympiad in Baku should feature what is essentially an Atheist anthem, John Lennon's, Imagine. Now I am not against atheists having anthems (or pointy ears), or singing, lighting candles or offering incense up to an effigy of Charles Darwin or even expressing their perspective but this appeared ...[text shortened]... at Grandmaster Wesley So thanks the Lord for his victories, a clear indication of divine favour.

Of all the things we discussed in this forum over the years: marital rape, child sexual abuse by your religious cult leaders, religious bullying, dangerous anti-medical teachings and the like.... and it's a bloody pop song at a chess event that you choose to find as the only thing "deeply disturbing" of all these!

Originally posted by vivify
So God helped Wesley cheat? The victory wasn't earned on his own?

Shame on you Wesley has never hurt even a fly in his life

Originally posted by divegeester
Of all the things we discussed in this forum over the years: marital rape, child sexual abuse by your religious cult leaders, religious bullying, dangerous anti-medical teachings and the like.... and it's a bloody pop song at a chess event that you choose to find as the only thing "deeply disturbing" of all these!

The song contains clear anti religious and atheistic sentiment which is glossed over and packaged in a sugary coated cover to be lapped up by lap dogs like you, !ts just a pop song! its just a chess event. It doesn't really have anti religious and atheistic sentiments and even if it does the melody is so pretty that it doesn't matter. Lap lap lap lap - more sugary coated atheism for me please!

Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today... Aha-ah...

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion, too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace... You...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one.


La la la

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
Imagine there's no heaven
It's easy if you try
No hell below us
Above us only sky
Imagine all the people
Living for today... Aha-ah...

Imagine there's no countries
It isn't hard to do
Nothing to kill or die for
And no religion, too
Imagine all the people
Living life in peace... You...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one.


La la la

He's mocking me!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
I found it deeply disturbing that the recent 42nd chess Olympiad in Baku should feature what is essentially an Atheist anthem, John Lennon's, Imagine. Now I am not against atheists having anthems (or pointy ears), or singing, lighting candles or offering incense up to an effigy of Charles Darwin or even expressing their perspective but this appeared ...[text shortened]... at Grandmaster Wesley So thanks the Lord for his victories, a clear indication of divine favour.

Here are the lyrics. Lets see.
I would say that where I put an *, the idea can be supported in the Bible while ?? means he is mocking religion as you claim:

?? Imagine there's no heaven, It's easy if you try
* No hell below us Above us only sky
Imagine all the people Living for today... Aha-ah...

* Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do
* Nothing to kill or die for
* And no religion, too
* Imagine all the people Living life in peace... You...

You may say I'm a dreamer But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
* And the world will be as one

* Imagine no possessions I wonder if you can
* No need for greed or hunger
* A brotherhood of man
* Imagine all the people
Sharing all the world... You...

Far more stuff that can be defended from the scriptures.

What John Lennon is doing is mocking the violent and extreme aspects of religion and the greed and selfness that normally accompanies Christianity. Not once did he say that there is no God. His statement about there being no heaven is simply telling people what if you have no heaven to go to, a doctrine preached by the JWs that the Kingdom of God is going to be on this earth. JoHn Lennon is preaching here an earthly paradise which can be created if mankind followed the teachings of Christ. But sadly not even Christians preach that.

Originally posted by Rajk999
Here are the lyrics. Lets see.
I would say that where I put an *, the idea can be supported in the Bible while ?? means he is mocking religion as you claim:

?? Imagine there's no heaven, It's easy if you try
* No hell below us Above us only sky
Imagine all the people Living for today... Aha-ah...

* Imagine there's no countries It isn't hard to do
* ...[text shortened]... created if mankind followed the teachings of Christ. But sadly not even Christians preach that.

John Lemmon states clearly that he envisions a world without religion as the following reference clearly demonstrates, 'and no religion too'. A world where there is no God, reference 'imagine there's no heaven, above us only sky'. Now you can sugar coat it and gloss it over with all the apologetics you like, but it it what it is, an anti religious atheistic anthem of a world without religion and without God and people living with little regard to the future, living 'only for the day', in some hedonistic self indulgent atheistic Hippy commune!

I am not saying John Lennon is mocking religion, Ghost of a duke is mocking me, he is going around his house whistling it! Look at him la la la la!😠

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
John Lemmon states clearly that he envisions a world without religion as the following reference clearly demonstrates, 'and no religion too'. A world where there is no God, reference 'imagine there's no heaven, above us only sky'. Now you can sugar coat it and gloss it over with all the apologetics you like, but it it what it is, an anti religious ...[text shortened]... t of a duke is mocking me, he is going around his house whistling it! Look at him la la la la!😠

Imagine there's no Robbie
It's easy if you try
taken down by lettuce
his wimpy end is nigh
Imagine all the people
Living for today... Aha-ah...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one.

dum de dum dum dum

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
The song contains clear anti religious and atheistic sentiment which is glossed over and packaged in a sugary coated cover to be lapped up by lap dogs like you, !ts just a pop song! its just a chess event. It doesn't really have anti religious and atheistic sentiments and even if it does the melody is so pretty that it doesn't matter. Lap lap lap lap - more sugary coated atheism for me please!

The song was released in the early 1980s and hasn't been changed. Why is it suddenly "deeply disturbing" for you now?

Originally posted by divegeester
The song was released in the early 1980s and hasn't been changed. Why is it suddenly "deeply disturbing" for you now?

you want I go back to the songs release and ask myself the same question? 😕

Originally posted by Ghost of a Duke
Imagine there's no Robbie
It's easy if you try
taken down by lettuce
his wimpy end is nigh
Imagine all the people
Living for today... Aha-ah...

You may say I'm a dreamer
But I'm not the only one
I hope someday you'll join us
And the world will be as one.

dum de dum dum dum

ahhh its too much, you are smugly relaxing in the comfort of your own home, probably wearing a Sherlock Holmes housecoat and humming the damnable anthem as you gleefuly contemplate the dastardly sugar coatedness of it!

Originally posted by robbie carrobie
ahhh its too much, you are smugly relaxing in the comfort of your own home, probably wearing a Sherlock Holmes housecoat and humming the damnable anthem as you gleefuly contemplate the dastardly sugar coatedness of it!

lol

It has been a good evening.