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Originally posted by FMF
I would say that, if the beliefs of religionists in the supernatural and immortality afford them some consolation as they approach their own deaths, and if that's what they need in order to "embrace" it, then that's alright. I know plenty of people who do.

What in your view are "religionists"?

Originally posted by roigam
Since mankind was made to live, and death is the result of a mistake, death is not natural and we should not "embrace" it.
As death is the course we have been put on, we must accept it, but, due to the loving kindness of our Creator in providing a way out by a resurrection back to life, we can accept death with the hope of life in the future.

"... death is the result a result of" what "mistake"?

Originally posted by googlefudge
There is either only one, or an infinite number of 'ultimate' realities each of us faces.
Depending on ones point of view.

There are not two.

Au contraire: 1) Our physical death; and 2) the stark reality that each of us will reside at one of two addresses for eternity.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
What in your view are "religionists"?

People like you. Or my local Catholic priest. Or the imam at the mosque behind my house. People who have an elaborate, literature-based theological ideology ~ such as Christianity ~ that features supernatural figures and life after death and stuff like "sin".

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
Au contraire: 1) Our physical death; and 2) the stark reality that each of us will reside at one of two addresses for eternity.

Well your 'reality' number two is not true, and those are not the only two 'realities' that
we face.

Which brings me back to saying that no, we either face an infinite number of 'realities'...
If we use the meaning you appear to be using for the term... Or just one.

There are not just two... And even if their were, they would not be your two, as the second is
certainly false, and the first might possibly be false.

Originally posted by googlefudge
Well your 'reality' number two is not true, and those are not the only two 'realities' that
we face.

Which brings me back to saying that no, we either face an infinite number of 'realities'...
If we use the meaning you appear to be using for the term... Or just one.

There are not just two... And even if their were, they would not be your two, as the second is
certainly false, and the first might possibly be false.

“Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.”
―Philip K. Dick, "I Hope I Shall Arrive Soon"

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
“Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.”
―Philip K. Dick, "I Hope I Shall Arrive Soon"

Which is true about my beliefs and not true about yours.

Originally posted by googlefudge
Which is true about my beliefs and not true about yours.

It was also true about mine until I became a serious student of the Word of God taught by my own pastor/teacher.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
It was also true about mine until I became a serious student of the Word of God taught by my own pastor/teacher.

So you admit yourself that your beliefs are not about reality.

So why do you still hold them?

"If we have the possibility of knowing the truth, why would we choose to be deceived?" ~Isiah Berlin

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
"If we have the possibility of knowing the truth, why would we choose to be deceived?" ~Isiah Berlin

Well given that you belong to the side that believes in choosing to be deceived, it's
really up to you to answer that question.

I think choosing to be deceived is a dumb idea which is why I don't make such a choice.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
"If we have the possibility of knowing the truth, why would we choose to be deceived?" ~Isiah Berlin

Fear of the truth is the usual reason. But as with most fears, when you face up to it, its not as bad as it first seems.

Originally posted by googlefudge
Well given that you belong to the side that believes in choosing to be deceived, it's
really up to you to answer that question.

I think choosing to be deceived is a dumb idea which is why I don't make such a choice.

"Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. For he that soweth to his flesh shall of the flesh reap corruption; but he that soweth to the Spirit shall of the Spirit reap life everlasting." Galations 6:7-8

Originally posted by twhitehead
Fear of the truth is the usual reason. But as with most fears, when you face up to it, its not as bad as it first seems.

Well said.

Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
"... death is the result a result of" what "mistake"?

(Romans 5:12) That is why, just as through one man sin entered into the world and death through sin, and so death spread to all men because they had all sinned—.

Before Adam sinned (made a mistake) by eating of the fruit of the tree of good and bad,
there was no option of death. His mistaken action brought death as a result.

Happily, humankind will not die in the future. God paid a fine for us to regain that nondeath condition.
(Revelation 21:3, 4) With that I heard a loud voice from the throne say: “Look! The tent of God is with mankind, and he will reside with them, and they will be his people. And God himself will be with them. 4 And he will wipe out every tear from their eyes, .....and death will be no more....., neither will mourning nor outcry nor pain be anymore. The former things have passed away.”

So, God gives His Word that He will end death forever!

Just as a side thought, when death is no more, how will people die and go to heaven?