@spruce112358 said
@mchill

So I Googled myself to see if I could serve on the Trump jury...

Mmmmmm... well .... um .... nah. I don't... well, maybe...

Ooooooooo!

Nope. Did I really say that? Wow that was a good post!

Nuh-uh. Never.

You're gay, Spruce. well, i'll be damned. Sorta figured, but here you glow.....

@wildgrass said
Nothing criminal, though.

Mayorkas working with what he has for resources and some pretty minor differences in policy compared with the prior administration. Why didn't Republicans pass the border protections bill they wrote? Why didn't they even discuss it?

Yeah nothing criminal though. Let's forget about the hell. Wildgrass is of the Marauder House. Brrrrrrrrrr

@sleepyguy said
@AverageJoe1
Where's no1 when you need him, eh?

Think Locke, who said we have natural rights (life, liberty, property), we establish government to protect these rights, the establishment of said government implies a social contract exists whereby we are obligated to respect other's rights if we expect our own rights to be respected.

Or that's what I think Spruce is getting at anyway.

Govt protects rights of course.
Note you have said that we all must respect each other’s rights.,,,not protect. Big diffy. Maybe Spruce will step up and square this all away.We

@spruce112358 said
Ayn Rand was fine with society's first obligation - everyone behaving themselves. Everyone is fine with that one. But she rejected the second obligation - to help protect the rights of others.

Rand, anarchists, anarcho-capitalists, many libertarians, etc. often reject the second obligation - not in so many words, usually. But usually saying something like, "If my neig ...[text shortened]... efore that.

But Ayn Rand was bitter enough about communism (rightly so) that it made her extreme.

Yeah, a society of Marx sheep trumps lords and bears.
First you were saying last week that we have an obligation to protect each other’s rights. I questioned you on that, to explain, and you said that we do that by paying taxes, so everyone is universally protected. Oh, I said…OK, I guess that is the definition, for what it’s worth, I don’t know why you would even bother to write it.
But here , para 4, you go on about being burgled for instance. Those taxes that you said we are all pay would cover that, as our taxes pay for the police. So I still do not know what in the hell you are saying.
I really don’t. Like, why would you have to sit home with a shotgun if our tax has the police protecting you? You are not doing a good job of explaining yourself. Even the part about freedom I don’t get. After we pay taxes, and maintain a charitable lifestyle, do we have responsibility to protect the rights of others ? From whence this responsibility come?
I just don’t get it.
Are you per chance confusing this with empathy, one of Susanne and Sonhouse favorite subject? They think everyone is heathen that is a Republican or a conservative.

@AverageJoe1
Wearing thin, McHill? All of you wealth-distributers are no better than pickpockets, and you can imagine us with ‘the wealth’ (top 1😵 ,paying 47.5% of all income tax, being uncomfortable around you in a dark alley.
Scared to death, I might scream out I’m not carrying any money, but I am afraid that would not do me any good. Yeah, I would say that would be wearing thin.

@mchill said
In the past, Trump has always been able to count on his supporters turning out en masse, from his signature rallies to the riot at the Capitol. But on Monday, at a pivotal moment for the MAGA movement and Trump’s campaign, the faithful were uncharacteristically quiet - and few in number.


Even among supporters so loyal they were drawn to an event publicized as a “rally for ...[text shortened]... ing-states

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/04/15/trump-trial-supporters-maga-new-york-00152339

Probably any comparison, such as yours here, about interest in attending rallies and supporting Trump, are negatively impacted by the state of Biden economy, illegal immigrants, huge plundering of the treasury, watching Biden dictate to spend about 25,000 per person on tuition loans, when we all stand around with our mouth open, getting nothing. ….such as that. We are all suffering, there is not a lot of room for a free time to show support, when we are all trying to keep in a status that we have become used to.

Biden out-lies Trump, and is using the White House to prosecute him over the coming summer. Stonehouse said the other day that Trump said to ingest bleach. That was a lie as well. Here is a link showing exactly what he did say. I hope that Sonhouse will come forward and tell everyone that he was spreading misinformation.

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/07/13/fact-check-did-trump-tell-people-to-drink-bleach-to-kill-coronavirus/113754708/

@spruce112358 said
I actually have no problems with the rich pursuing wealth unhindered as long as they:

1) Don't harm, impose on, or place others at risk without consent, and,
2) Support the government that protects all our rights equally, proportionate to their wealth.

It's exactly the same standard I hold the Middle and Poorer Classes to.

A few more principles:

1) Taxes hav ...[text shortened]... en't paying attention.

We have to start paying attention.

*1% is a tad ambitious. Let's say 5.

I agree! There are people on this forum, who believe that wealth be redistributed on a regular basis.
Just that one concept means that they could not agree with what you wrote above.

@moonbus said
@shavixmir said
So you’d vote for a blank cheque?

@AverageJoe1
Blank? Is our other choice anything but blank?


The 2024 election cycle is shaping up to be a choice between a blank cheque and a blank mind. Pretty dire options, I have to say.

You are right about Biden with his blank check. How much money are we up to now? Would you look that up for us. Have you heard he wants to pay off student loans? Do you think that will be it, because I think there will be something else, to pay off credit card debt, for example. Then he would control interest rates, restricting the interest a bank can charge on a mortgage. Do you fellas not realize that he is in fact, a dictator?
Trumphoise, who never did define what democracy is, would be a good person to ask about Biden‘s transformation into being a dictator.

@shavixmir said
It has been mentioned before: unless you get an answer that fits your world view, you seem to think you’ve gone unanswered.

Take it from me lad, 99% of the time, you are wrong. On every subject.

Learn or live with it. Nobody outside the alt-right bubble agrees with you on anything.

We are all waiting for this key debate moment,,,,,,Shav will tell us all where AVJoe has been wrong.

@sleepyguy said
There's the bitterness coming through. You learned a lot of terminology to explain that life is hard because you're an oppressed victim. Did you learn how to do anything?

He is marx, Sleepy. We have several here. Marauder was the creepiest, they are truly always upset about the success of other people. Marx taught anti-success and obedience. Brrrrrrrrrr

@shavixmir said
So you’d vote for a blank cheque?

Blank? Is our other choice anything but blank?

@kmax87 said
Do they fear him because he is a principled man of substance or because he is a capricious loose cannon?

Could be the latter, now that you mention it. Are you, too, trying to bait me to compare the dictatorship of Biden to that of Trump???? I will not fall for it.
Although, I will be happy to compare their records. Do you relalize how often y'all say the border was a mess under Trump? Uhoh, I have already started.......

@spruce112358 said
The reason is simple, but also terrifying.

Imagine all the titles, relationships, role, job descriptions, backgrounds, affiliations etc. of EVERY PERSON in the world slowly fading into the background.

Now, impose a new layer onto the world, a kind of filter with two colors - Red "Loves Trump" and Blue "Hates Trump" and submerge all other layers so that when someone ...[text shortened]... ceeds. That's his 'reasoning' such as it is. That is true MALIGNANT narcissism which is what he has.

All you fellers want us repubs to tell you his plans, and/or the reasons he does things? Am I getting that right?
Would I tell you what Marjori Taylor Greene’s fight plan would be if she had to into the ring with AOC?.? No, because no one knows. And the mind of Trump is known by 8no one, which is why Putin, Kim and Xi fear him.

@sonhouse said
@AverageJoe1
You can't make a guess? Lack of morality? First felony trial? Having long term relations with one porn star and a brief one with Stormy while he had a newborn babe at home? He already has legal losses with half billion in fines already, which BTW as much as the ultrarightwingnuts want to parrot Trump and go Witch hunt, those convictions for fraud and defamatio ...[text shortened]... viction for a felony and you would vote for him anyway, your rational would be he didn't go to jail.

I think I already read this movie, Trumphouse, bless you.
I know you are trolling me to respond about the morality (lack thereof) of President Bill Clinton. Seen that movie.

Here again, you libs are always looking over the fence at people you don’t like, for whatever reason, but………
What have you got to do with them? I don’t like smelly Muslims, but I live my life ‘over here’. I don’t talk about them. And she is not only criticizing Trump, she criticizes his voters. She is so bitter.
Here is a question…who seem to be the most bitter? You do. It is evident in your efforts to get our stuff. Just today Biden is going for taxing wealthy more. Not very smart see my next thread. Here is this rich resentful hypocritical feline.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13314663/katie-couric-claims-trump-maga-support-anti-intellectualism.html