08 Nov '19 03:42>1 edit
@kellyjay saidWell...that is not controversial.
There has to be something that has intrinsic value, with mathematics that has to be assigned, and it is no different than with logic. You cannot write code or law for values without setting up something to be protected and highly regarded, and that something, if it isn't agreeable with all will not be valued across the board. An example of caring for fellowmen I heard before ...[text shortened]... n of the destruction of community, no respect for authority, because the community established them.
Mathematics and logic are only a means from Point A to Point B - they do not specify where Point A[/i] is.
So, you have raised one objection, sure. I counter with Spock's saying from Star Trek II: "the needs of the many ... outweigh ... the needs of the few, or the one".
This is surely trivially obvious in the attempt of, say, an army soldier to dive on a grenade that threatens four other fellow soldiers, for example.