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  1. SubscriberBigDoggProblem
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    08 Nov '19 03:421 edit
    @kellyjay said
    There has to be something that has intrinsic value, with mathematics that has to be assigned, and it is no different than with logic. You cannot write code or law for values without setting up something to be protected and highly regarded, and that something, if it isn't agreeable with all will not be valued across the board. An example of caring for fellowmen I heard before ...[text shortened]... n of the destruction of community, no respect for authority, because the community established them.
    Well...that is not controversial.

    Mathematics and logic are only a means from Point A to Point B - they do not specify where Point A[/i] is.

    So, you have raised one objection, sure. I counter with Spock's saying from Star Trek II: "the needs of the many ... outweigh ... the needs of the few, or the one".

    This is surely trivially obvious in the attempt of, say, an army soldier to dive on a grenade that threatens four other fellow soldiers, for example.
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    @sonship said
    "Ringleader" is my own expression.

    A harsh critic of the local churches who became a kind of focal point of Internet activity of like-minded critics needed to know the facts of one of that critic's chief allegations.

    Steve Cox, Clem Rogers, and Bill Salassi wrote the following explanation on behalf of the church in Huston, target of the allegations.



    ...[text shortened]... e church in Houston:


    https://shepherdingwords.com/a-response-from-the-church-in-houston/
    Where are the followers who say -
    Jesus Christ ... no other names matter!

    hmm?
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    @kellyjay said
    I don't think you can get to morality through arithmetic or logic.
    Why not?
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    @deepthought said
    Speaking of serial killers, by the time a serial killer is past the first few murders we tend just to think of them as a serial killer, we might add a word like prolific, but don't judge them as any worse for killing thirty people than for killing ten. As far as how evil a serial killer is there's a sort of saturation, the moral judgement is replaced with a practical one ...[text shortened]... So, I think there is some merit to the statement: "Morality is not a simple matter of arithmetic.".
    Wait, whoa. I very much judge someone worse for killing 30 people than ten.

    Logic professors might refer to your statement as "begging the question".
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    @deepthought said
    Speaking of serial killers, by the time a serial killer is past the first few murders we tend just to think of them as a serial killer, we might add a word like prolific, but don't judge them as any worse for killing thirty people than for killing ten. As far as how evil a serial killer is there's a sort of saturation, the moral judgement is replaced with a practical one ...[text shortened]... So, I think there is some merit to the statement: "Morality is not a simple matter of arithmetic.".
    oh, but then they are the worst ever, delta-V [victims]
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    01 Nov '19 03:07
    @secondson said

    How is the life of one human being of less value ethically than that of ten?
    Maybe the Ten are all serial killers, while the One is a patron saint.
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    @sonship said
    @BigDoggProblem

    Are trolls allowed to drop off little one liners in your thread ?
    You know? Like ...?
    Because you have no life.
    Well, dur hur, dur hur, whadda ya think, Jack?

    Ya think this is a public forum and nobody owns a thread at'all? (except Russ and Al Gore)

    I done' reckon' you right.
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    @whodey said
    In the Bible the Great Flood is a story of killing all but a few in order to prevent mankind from destroying himself due to their wickedness, thus preventing the later births of billions/trillions of people.

    Assuming the assumptions are correct, was this justified?
    Man who answer question with question = jackass

    (said Zen masta)
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    @duchess64 said
    The extremely philosophically ignorant people who dominate this narrow-minded
    forum may be ignorant of the existence of the ethical theory of utilitarianism.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utilitarianism

    "Utilitarianism is a family of consequentialist ethical theories that promotes
    actions that maximize happiness and well-being for the majority of a population."
    Good thing WE'RE both here, then, to expose their lack of knowledge?!

    [Why do "we" find ourselves so comfortable here, in that case...]
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    26 Oct '19 07:26
    I was once rebutted, in this forum, for implying that the deaths of many mattered more than the deaths of few.

    The "rebuttal" was that ethics is not just a simple question of numbers.

    My question to those who remain here is, why not?
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    26 Oct '19 07:22
    @caissad4 said
    Ilhan Omar is a member of the US Congress and a Muslim She is viewed as a far left politician .
    Female Genital Mutilation (female circumcision ) is required in Islam .
    She publicly called FGM , evil , vile and abhorrent . I agree with her view .
    Does this make her an Islamaphobe ?
    YES! TOTAL Islamophobe.

    After all, one cannot simply disagree with a single tenet of a faith.
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    26 Oct '19 07:20
    @kellyjay said
    [youtube]9g1GzId_HKc[/youtube]

    Is there a cure for today’s victim culture? | Michael Ramsden
    53 minutes 30 sec

    I put this in the culture Forum no interest, I find this fascinating and wonder if any here would listen and given their opinion?
    Apathy is the cure.

    The "false victim" act only works if people cannot recognize and ignore it.
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    @sonship said
    Why I would defend Yes for #1 and No for #2.
    Because you have no life.
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    @divegeester said
    I disagree, following the Babylonian corporate religious beast is hard. But Jesus says “my yoke is light and my burden easy”

    Matthew 11:28-30 King James Version (KJV)
    Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.
    Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls.
    For ...[text shortened]... and my burden is light.


    If being a Christian is difficult, then you can’t be doing it right.
    There are also verses like "deny yourself, take up your cross, and follow me" which make following sound difficult. How to reconcile the passages? Maybe get help from context? But certainly not make a blanket conclusion based on either one alone.
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    @whodey said
    You make church sound dreadful.

    Here we have an institution which has it's adherents give more of their time and money to those in need than those not of faith. Here you have an institution where those who attend church tend to live longer, be happier, and are apart of an institution that has a long history of starting hospitals, schools, and universities, etc. And those ...[text shortened]... as society drifts away from God and a lack of interest in church, we see the fruits of it, don't we.
    Church wasn't dreadful. Christianity just wasn't for me.

    I think it works well for some people, and not so much for others. By all means, if going to church makes you more moral, more fulfilled, etc., then go there regularly.

    Just don't be naive enough to think there is nothing to lose by investing one's time in so doing.

    Seeking a spiritual path isn't an easy thing. You have to take the risk of doing things that don't always work out in the end.
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