@wildgrass said
Those are prewar 2022 numbers. It's more than $17 billion that we just forklifted over to you, to 'fight' civilians. Do you not need the money? Why all the groveling then?

I don't take any credit and it seems you don't want to give it either. The protestors - the topic of the thread - want the funding to end. You can keep buying your bombs with your own money.

I would be interested in seeing the source of your data for 2022. Here is what I got:

The United States committed over $3.3 billion in foreign assistance to Israel in 2022, the most recent year for which data exists.[1] About $8.8 million of that went toward the country's economy, while 99.7% of the aid went to the Israeli military..

https://usafacts.org/articles/how-much-military-aid-does-the-us-give-to-israel/

@wildgrass said
You'd have fewer US protestors if we were not funding your feelings.

You take too much credit. The US funds $3B out of a $25B defense budget. Its small potatoes. US protestors mean nothing to the rest of the world.

@shavixmir said
Nowhere in the qoran does it say tht Jews should be killed.

Indeed, Jews and Christians are believed to be of the same God.

Muslims claim that in order to understand the Quran the Hadiths must also be consulted and read. Here is what it says:

It was reported that Ibn ‘Umar (may Allah be pleased with them both) said: “I heard the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) saying: ‘You (i.e. Muslims) will fight against the Jews and you will gain victory over them. The stones will (betray them) saying: ‘O ‘Abdullah (i.e. slave of Allah)! There is a Jew hiding behind me; so kill him.’ 1 This Hadith was reported by Al-Bukhari.

@wildgrass said
What do you call someone who kills a killer?
There will always be another Hamas.
Removing a geographic location? Seems odd.

Safety is an illusion mate.

A man of God, a promoter of justice, a righteous man ... pick one
Then the other Hamases will meet the same fate... they are all going to die
Remove the Arabs from Gaza who have been terrorising the Jews for the last 20 years.
For you. Jews feel safe when the Arabs who want to kill them are on the run.

Ask some more.

@wildgrass said
I don't know. It was not. Nothing.

What does that have to do with Israel bombing civilians?

To kill the killers and their supporters.
To finish Hamas
To remove Gaza.
To feel safe.

Any other stupid questions?

@shavixmir said
I challenge you.
Show us yiur evidence from the quoran.

Oh, by the way, Allah = God… it’s the same bloody entity.

Here it is: It is not the same God. The God of Israel will never advise people to kill Jews.

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Does Al Quran call to kill infidels?

Most assuredly it does. The Taqiya answers given already are without foundation as they are quoting abrogated text and ignore history.

If the Quran and ahadith aren’t sufficient, look at 14 centuries of killing. Islam didn’t spread from out of the Arabian Peninsula and cover Morocco to Indonesia with peace and love. You could ask the (conservative estimate of) 80 million Hindus killed during the conquest of India or the cultures of North Africa (remember Carthage?) utterly destroyed with the spread of Islam, but of course, they’re gone. But it’s not just ancient history, it’s happening daily to Yazidi, Christian Nigerians and more, by people following the letter of the law as dictated by the Quran. As there are far too many surahs and ahadith instructing Muslims to kill unbelievers, here is a taste.

The penultimate surah chronologically is number 9, the most violent of the surahs.

9:5
"So when the sacred months have passed away, then slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captive and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate, leave their way free to them."

Note that it says when the sacred months have passed. This means they were not under attack. If they were, the Quran commanded them to defend themselves so there would have been no waiting.

9:29
“Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled.”

Note that this abrogates any remaining verse saying Christians and Jews are safe. Just to make sure that Jews and Christians are to be included in conquest, four verses later is:

9:33
“It is He who has sent His Messenger with guidance and the religion of truth to manifest it over all religion, although they who associate others with Allah dislike it.”

A couple more samples from the second to last surah:

9:73
O Prophet, fight against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them. And their refuge is Hell, and wretched is the destination.

9:123
"O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

Many, MANY more surah verses commanding violence, especially Medinan verses. Just one more Medinan verse for you, 66:9

O Prophet, strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them. And their refuge is Hell, and wretched is the destination.

Let’s not forget ahadith.

Sahih Muslim 1:30
"The Messenger of Allah said: I have been commanded to fight against people so long as they do not declare that there is no god but Allah."

Sahih Muslim 31:5917 describes Muhammad’s general, Ali, going off to fight but pausing and asking why these people are to be attacked. Muhammad’s response was because they are not Muslim.

“Ali went a bit and then halted and did not look about and then said in a loud voice: Allah’s Messenger, on what issue should I fight the people? Thereupon he (the Prophet) said: Fight with them until they bear testimony to the fact that there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is his Messenger”

Plenty more in Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim, but I leave you with what is probably the coldest and most callous utterance from Muhammad, quoted several times in both sets of the two most trusted (authentic) collections of ahadith. When informed that during an attack on unbelievers (attacked for nothing but being polytheists) that innocent women and children were killed, he responded “They are from them.”
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https://qr.ae/psMdgG

@kevcvs57 said
No I don’t anymore than people who dream of visiting another planet are actually astronauts
In the real world the only people slaughtering and starving a whole people are the Israelis.

Genocide .. some examples from recent history:

1.5 million Armenians died in the Armenian genocide.
6 million Jews died in the Holocaust.
800,000 Tutsis died in the Rwandan genocide.
2 million Bangladeshis in the Bangladeshi genocide.
300,000 in the East Timor genocide
500,000 in the Syrian genocide.
100,000 in the Papua New Guinea genocide.


Around 40,000 Gazans have died in the war Hamas started.
HAMAS STARTED THE WAR.
The aggressor and the instigator dont get to cry genocide.
Let them suck it up now.

Accusing Israel of engaging in genocide is simply a lie promoted by anti Semites lie.

@zahlanzi said
interesting interesting


tell me, should we kill the friends and neighbors and families of anyone who ever made a threat online?
"These rednecks from bumfukville threatened to kill everyone in New York and will never stop, let's bomb Alabama and every neighboring state to be sure they aren't a threat"

They did not just threaten. They actually raped, killed and kidnapped Israeli civilians.

@zahlanzi said

where you perhaps referring to palestinian civilians? are you wondering why a group of people who lose their loved ones, have no clean water, no food and no homes are for the group that claims to protect them but definitely not the ones who did all those things i mentioned? Are you perhaps claiming palestinians should say thank you to Israel for all those bombs? Are you pe ...[text shortened]... nes, should throw their lives and attack hamas?

Are you still wondering why i call you a dumbass?

Were the Palestinians dancing and rejoicing in the streets after Hamas murdered, raped and kidnapped Jews?

Yes?

Well ... IT SERVES THEM RIGHT.

@cliff-mashburn said
Not just Jews, but anyone that isn't Muslim. We are all infidels in their eyes, and they make no bones about converting the whole world to Islam and killing anyone that won't accept Allah. These college kids joining them in their chants don't know that they will be a target for them eventually. Lenin called people like them useful idiots..

Of course, and their Holy Book, the Quran and their god Allah, apparently is in full support of killing all non-muslims. Somebody challenge me to produce the evidence from the Quran.

@kellyjay said
So why are you calling me names I am not calling for the death of anyone in any degree? You don’t think claiming solidarity with a genocidal group puts you in the same class having murdering others as a goal?

War is ugly the death of humanity from innocence to combatants happens, indiscriminately launching missiles and rockets in neighborhoods being done to Israel I do ...[text shortened]... atrocities they see by those they dislike, but justify most things done to those that they dislike.

All Islamic extremists and their supporters hate people who do not support their cause of killing Jews and repossessing the Land of Palestine from the river to the sea.

@spruce112358 said
The Hamas Charter of 2017 does not have anything in it about killing Jews.

Thats a load of nonsense. Here is the truth about the Hamas Charter.

Since its founding in the late 1980s, Hamas has been promoting rhetoric and policies aimed at destroying the Jewish state of Israel and killing Jews and Israelis around the world. This is evident in their founding charter, which cites the infamous Protocols of the Elders of Zion forgery as “proof” of a Zionist plot to control the world. It remains true after Hamas released a new charter in 2017, which essentially simply swapped the word “Jew” out and replaced it with “Zionist” while repeating antisemitic tropes.

The following are examples of hateful rhetoric by Hamas leaders and officials, as well as language from their charter:

Hamas Leaders and Officials: Statements by Hamas officials make clear the terrorist organization’s commitment to destroying Israel and killing Jews and Israelis around the world.

Ismail Haniyeh in 2020: He explained that Hamas rejects ceasefire agreements by which, “Gaza would become Singapore,” preferring to remain at war with Israel until a Palestinian state is established from the River to the Sea: “We cannot, in exchange for money or projects, give up Palestine and our weapons. We will not give up the resistance... We will not recognize Israel, Palestine must stretch from the [Jordan] River to the [Mediterranean] Sea.”

Hamas official, Hamad Al-Regeb in an April 2023 sermon: He prayed for “annihilation” and “paralysis” of the Jews whom he described as filthy animals: “[Allah] transformed them into filthy, ugly animals like apes and pigs because of the injustice and evil they had brought about.” Al-Regeb also prayed for the ability to “get to the necks of the Jews.”

Hamas Political Bureau Chairman Saleh Al-Arouri in an August 2023 interview: He expressed Hamas’ desire for “total war” with Israel: “Therefore, we are convinced that if a total conflict begins, the airspace and seaports of this entity will be shut down, and they will not be able to live without electricity, water, and communications.”
Ahmad Abd Al-Hadi (Hamas representative in Lebanon) in an October 12, 2023 TV show laid out Hamas’ expectation that it would be Israel that would sue for peace and indicated that a ceasefire is part of Hamas’ overall strategy, but said that he was not at liberty to say what exactly Hamas has planned for the next step after a ceasefire. He also stated that October 7 had achieved its intended purpose of landing “a blow to the normalization (of relations between Israel and Arab countries).”

Hamas member, Ghazi Hamad on October 24, 2023: “Israel is a country that has no place on our land […] because it constitutes a security, military, and political catastrophe to the Arab and Islamic nation.” (October 24, 2023, LBC TV (Lebanon)). He also vowed to repeat the October 7 attacks “time and again until Israel is annihilated,” and expressing a desire to “sacrifice martyrs” (referring to Gazan civilians) for Hamas’ ideological aim of destroying Israel.

In a speech before the International Union of Muslim Scholars in Doha on January 9, 2024, Ismaeel Haniyeh, chairman of Hamas's political bureau, called the October 7 massacre the “advanced [battle] front of the Ummah.” Calling for “financial jihad” (donations to Hamas) and “jihad of the teeth” (physical jihad), he asked the international audience, “Who wishes to invest in building the jihadist generation to liberate Jerusalem and to unite the blood of the Ummah with the blood of the people of Gaza, Jerusalem, and Palestine on the land of Palestine for its liberation and the liberation of Jerusalem?”

https://www.adl.org/resources/blog/hamas-its-own-words

@spruce112358 said
The Hamas Charter of 2017 does not have anything in it about killing Jews.

https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-2017-document-full

Of course, the Hamas Charter has never been voted on and approved by the Palestinian people, and so has no more weight than the platform of ANY political party. But still, here is the relevant section:

16. Hamas affirms that its ...[text shortened]... t occupation which has already disappeared from much of the world and must disappear from Palestine.

You do not understand these people. Death to Jews. Death to America, is the chant repeated several times a day in Palestinian schools. In the mosques they pray to Allah for help to kill Jews. They live to kill Jews. They do not care about their children who they train to die as martyrs because they go to heaven .

These people are sick.They are reaping the just rewards for their murderous ways.

@zahlanzi said
they're idiots and israel is still committing genocide.

assuming this actually happened and you're not doing a thought experiment

17 legal experts at ICJ hearing did not say Isreal is committing genocide. So maybe you should stop using the social media definition.

@sonhouse said
@Rajk
I hope so. Palestinians got screwed by the Israeli government and they got screwed by Hamas, they lose no matter what.

Stupid people get screwed all the time. Hopefully one day they will wake up and stop being stupid