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    02 Apr '24 12:55
    @kingdavid403 said
    @Ghost-of-a-Duke & others...
    Jesus is extremely clear in His Word that NO-ONE knows the date or time of of the end. Jesus even said He did not know and that only His Father in heaven knows.

    [Mark 13:32-33 NKJV] 32 "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 33 "Take heed, watch and pray; for you do not know when the time is."
    The JWs recognize that and defend their prophecies by saying they do not predict the date or the time. Their prophecies choose the year and this is claim is ok.
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    02 Apr '24 03:12
    @divegeester said
    “Apocalypse Delayed”
    Yes, thats the term they used. Pretty deceitful.
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    01 Apr '24 22:49
    Specifically for Galveston and Medullah.
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    The so-called “Great Disappointment” of 1844, surrounding William Miller’s errant predictions of Christ’s return, was indeed partly responsible for Charles Taze Russell beginning his own search of the Bible for clues on the timing of the “last days” and Jesus’s return. But 1844 was never part of Watch Tower theology.

    Russell was aware of the calculations behind Miller’s prediction, and in 1876 he met Nelson Barbour, a former Millerite. Barbour had by then made some necessary adjustments to his own theory: he had initially calculated that the second advent would take place in 1873, when the earth would be consumed by fire. When nothing took place, he decided it would be 1874. When nothing eventuated that year either, he and his colleagues concluded that the Second Coming, referred to in the Greek scriptures as parousia, was a “presence” and therefore had already occurred, with Christ returning … invisibly.

    In 1877 Barbour and Russell co-wrote a book, Three Worlds and the Harvest of This World, in which they laid out a timetable in which:

    Jesus had returned in 1874;
    The deceased “saints” had been resurrected to heaven in 1875;
    The “harvest” of remaining anointed “saints” would take place in 1878, when they would undergo a rapture, being raised to heaven;
    The Jews would be restored to Palestine in 1881; and
    The final end of God’s “day of wrath” would be in 1914, with nominal Christianity “utterly destroyed as a system".
    Armageddon, he wrote, would take place in the 40 years from 1874 to 1914 — the “time of trouble such as never was since there was a nation” — with the events of 1914 to be the climax of Armageddon. Those dates were all confirmed, he wrote, by measurements within the Great Pyramid of Giza, “God’s stone witness and prophet”.

    In early 1915 Russell, reluctant to admit that still nothing had happened, wrote that what had taken place in 1914 was that the Gentile Times had ended … invisibly. The full establishment of God’s kingdom on earth, he said, would take place later in 1915. In 1916, realising he had been completely wrong about Armageddon, Russell wrote that the war in Europe marked the start of it. Christendom, he said, would now be destroyed in 1918.

    Russell died in October 1916. In 1917 the Watch Tower Society published The Finished Mystery, which predicted the destruction of the churches of Christendom and the deaths of “church members by the millions” in 1918. It also predicted the destruction of all human governments in 1920.

    In 1922, new Watch Tower president JF Rutherford — as part of a process of discarding many of Russell’s teachings and calculations after he had sacked the majority of the Watch Tower directors and seized control of the publications — declared that the establishment of God’s kingdom over earth, which had previously been expected to result in the destruction of human governments and a “new rule of righteousness”, had also actually taken place in 1914 … invisibly. In 1925 he changed the date of Christ’s enthronement as king in heaven from 1878 to 1914. And in 1933 he wrote that the “last days” had also begun in 1914.

    Jehovah’s Witnesses have clung to the 1914 date, and Rutherford’s theology surrounding it, ever since.

    https://qr.ae/psAXA1
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    @medullah said

    What is your position DG, that it is OK for Christians to kill?
    Yes.

    To every thing there is a season, and a time to every purpose under the heaven: A time to be born, and a time to die; a time to plant, and a time to pluck up that which is planted; A time to kill, and a time to heal; a time to break down, and a time to build up; A time to weep, and a time to laugh; a time to mourn, and a time to dance; A time to cast away stones, and a time to gather stones together; a time to embrace, and a time to refrain from embracing; A time to get, and a time to lose; a time to keep, and a time to cast away; A time to rend, and a time to sew; a time to keep silence, and a time to speak; A time to love, and a time to hate; a time of war,and a time of peace. (Ecclesiastes 3:1-8 KJV)

    God made these things, not Satan. God called the Jews to war against many people. God called on them to wipe out certain tribes completely.

    There is no part of the bible that you can quote where a man should not protect himself and his family, including killing the attacker, in the event where their lives are threatened.
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    01 Apr '24 14:29
    @ghost-of-a-duke said
    Despite telling their followers not to bother going to college etc around 1914, due to Jesus's imminent return, they later made the weak claim Jesus actually just ruled in heaven since 1914 and later still that this prediction (of his return to Earth) was not a prediction at all, just a speculation.

    Such is the fate of a doomsday cult.
    Not just lame, they are liars. Had they been honest they would just come out and say "we made a blunder .. sorry"
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    01 Apr '24 14:261 edit
    @medullah said
    Show me the quote then we can have the discussion, otherwise it's all hearsay.
    Here is the information from the Watchtower Online Library
    https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/1984241
    The original information which was published back in 1987 was modified and this article was from 1984.

    Here we have an analysis of the differences between what the Watchtower actually said prior to 1914 and what they claimed to have said.

    https://www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/failed-1914-predictions.php

    What Watchtower said prior to 1914
    - "The year A.D. 1878 … clearly marks the time for the actual assuming of power as King of kings, by our present, spiritual, invisible Lord - …" The Time is At Hand (1911 ed) p.239
    - "But bear in mind that the end of 1914 is not the date for the beginning, but for the end of the time of trouble. Zion's Watch Tower 1894 Jul 15 p.226

    What Watchtower claims it said prior to 1914
    - "The Watchtower has consistently presented evidence to honesthearted students of Bible prophecy that Jesus’ presence in heavenly Kingdom power began in 1914." Watchtower 1993 Jan 15 p.5
    - "Jehovah's witnesses pointed to the year 1914, decades in advance, as marking the start of "the conclusion of the system of things." Awake! 1973 Jan 22 p.8

    The contradictory statements above help identify two critical facts:
    - Watchtower falsely predicted this system would end in 1914
    - Watchtower is not entirely honest about its history
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    @spruce112358 said
    @sh76, I was intrigued to find this post in Thread 134753 in your profile:

    RHP Supreme Court
    11 Oct '10 21:15

    In all honesty, Mel would probably be a better fit than I due to his lack of partisanship; but of course, that very factor means he'd never win the primary! 😉 

    My tripartisan Court, putting aside myself for the moment: 

    Lean right: 

    Spruce112358  ...[text shortened]... hatever happened to whodey? He would be happy as a pig in ... this incarnation of the Debates Forum.
    Interesting list of posters. Brings back lots of memories.

    What about XanthosNZ ? interesting profile :

    Each week, millions and millions of upper middle class American citizens put on expensive dress clothes, and load themselves into SUV's and drive past homeless shelters, orphanages, prisons, missions, and halfway houses on their way to a very expensive and nice church, where somebody tells them how to be more like Jesus.
    I don't like any of you.
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    01 Apr '24 11:49
    @spruce112358 said
    Interesting perspective.

    I learned a lot here in the Debates Forums back in the day. Definitely a place to sharpen one's wits. Later, debating on FB and other places was a real let-down - just not the intellectual rigor. But, they had pictures.
    For real. Anyone who claims they do not learn anything from here is a liar. Sometimes is the raw info, sometimes people make you think differently, sometimes people force you to research stuff. Whatever it is you learn and grow.
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    01 Apr '24 11:45
    @galveston75 said
    So...Of course I'm probably the only JW here I suppose. First I'm very suspicious of those links and stories. I hope no parents ever treat their children like not no matter the reasons the parents come up with. And no matter the religious beliefs or non religion they are a part of, I would hope that the right authorities or whoever would or could get involved in the worst ...[text shortened]... se done in other very dominant religions by their own priest?????
    Why does he never mention those?
    Have you told your children "Happy Birthday"?
    Have you told your mother "Happy Mothers Day"
    Have you ever said "Merry Christmas" to anyone.

    These are simple comments that wish people well. It is like "Good Morning, have a nice day". There is nothing evil or sinister about these greetings. They are part of our society and there are no pagan origins that you can complain about.

    If you dont do some of these simple things your children will grow up retarded and feeling ridiculed by their peers.
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    @medullah said
    A bit of a theme running though tonight.

    A quote from Wiki means nothing dear boy, as anybody can put what thy like on there.

    Tell us what was actually said or at least give the full address of the web page that you are drawing this from.

    Incidentally, so there is no ambiguity (we don't want any of that), I would say that he was probably right. But let's get the exact quote and then we can go from there.
    Are you sayihg that Russell was right that Jesus returned in 1914?
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    31 Mar '24 11:131 edit
    @mchill said
    Before we get too hard on Mr. Russell, we might consider that people have been predicting the end of the world for a very long time, in fact Jesus specifically cautioned his disciples against predicting this. Mr. Russell was a bit foolish here, but so were many others.


    Matthew 24:3 As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell u ...[text shortened]... o one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
    You have the gift of missing the point and going off on a tangent. I dont think this is about Russell alone. This man started a church who he promoted as Gods mouthpeice on Earth. He claimed that the Watchtower was directly guided by God. He misled millions of stupid people. He was more than just a bit foolish. He is a false prophet, a false teacher misleading people and causing havoc in the lives of people.
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    31 Mar '24 03:04
    @moonbus said
    @Rajk999

    I once knew an ex-JW. She told me that higher education was looked upon as "polishing the brass on a sinking ship." Not my sort of people. I think higher education, especially for woman, is what is most likely to keep humanity from going over a precipice in the next 250 years.
    Yes, I have heard similar stories coming from the JWs about education. Those JW elders are really very stupid people. You would think that after 120 years of mistakes, false prophecies, failed policies and widespread embarrasment, something would click in their brain. Clearly they are immune to common sense.

    Education of women is critical for development and erasing poverty in most parts of the world. I dont understand why religious fanatics need to stop women from furthering their education. There is nothing biblical about that.
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    31 Mar '24 01:41
    @spruce112358 said
    Hi @rajk999. I remember you from the 'Golden Age.'

    Would you say chromosomes for the bathrooms, then, as well?

    I apologize, I can't remember which way you 'leaned.' Also, based mostly from reading a few posts - very subjective, I think @sh76 is leaning slightly more conservative than he used to. Do you have an opinion on that? I don't know why... but it is somehow important to me.
    Let me simplify it. Men cannot change their sex. It is cast in stone. They can change their clothes and surgery can give them an appearance of women. But they are still men. They have no right in women's bathrooms.
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    30 Mar '24 23:38
    @spruce112358 said
    @Earl-of-Trumps
    Many years ago, long before you were born, I was accused of being not-a-liberal because I had unwoke views about gays. I like to argue that my views were only scientific observations on the evolutionary consequences of gay-ness, but be that as it may...

    I guess I am still unwoke in the trans area because I would divide sports by chromosomes: XX[&xo] o ...[text shortened]... your house who goes where? Then use an effing bathroom. Close the door. Problem solved - next case.
    Its not a cut and dried case as just use the bathrooms. Men are ok with that. Women need to get out the toilet cubicle and stand in front of the mirror and do their hair, face, fix their clothes etc. Having a man around is a problem for them, and justifiably so. Get the Effing men out the bathrooms.
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