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@ghost-of-a-duke saidLol. Not that you will ever want to learn as that would prove you are so misguided about who Jesus is to us, which is to be expected by all your silly post.
Charles Russell, founder of JWs believed (and stated) that the divinity of Jesus was retained, and was one of the reasons he should be worshipped.
Our resident JW here won't touch this with a barge pole and has only tendered a weak watering down of the term 'worship' akin to the reverence a chap might give his postman for delivering a parcel.
Charles Russell pre ...[text shortened]... e themselves rather than admitting their views have changed (and moved further away from scripture).
@mchill saidHello to you. No I know most here and have discussed just about anything you could think of. I know they probably will not change and I'm not trying to change them. But you know at one time Saul ( Paul ) thought he was doing God's will by persecuting the followers of Jesus. But Jesus had a little talk with him and Saul's heart changed and he finally learned things he never knew. So it can happen to anyone if their heart is receptive....
Hello - Your post has some interesting information. If your motive is to initiate a discussion of these topics, you've certainly succeeded. If your motive is to change anyone's mind here, you've certainly failed.
@pettytalk saidVery true my friend. You can see that here with most of the comments and the forever arguing that most here do on every subject regarding the bible, god's gift to humans. But Jehovah had it written so that one has to search and rely on him for direction. Unfortunately we all have Satan that exist and has a huge bag of wrenches to throw into the mix to make the bible seem to be a continuous mystery. As the bible says about the wisdom and truths about his word is that most would always "be searching, but never finding". Satan makes sure of that. He even sees that in most bibles and in most religions that God's own name 'Jehovah' has been removed from their teachings and from their bibles. With that being removed it automatically adds the level of confusion needed to actually know who Jehovah is and who Jesus is. Satan has made the untruths of the trinity now seem to be a truth, and now most "Christian" religions believe it.
I the Preacher have been king over Israel in Jerusalem. And I applied my heart to seek and to search out by wisdom all that is done under heaven. It is an unhappy business that God has given to the children of man to be busy with. I have seen everything that is done under the sun, and behold, all is vanity and a striving after wind.
@suzianne saidSo are you from any of those tribes? If not then you are not of this group either that are to go to heaven and serve beside Jesus. Right? If you do somehow make your way to heaven, what will you be doing there? Playing a harp?
"Then I saw another angel coming up from the east, having the seal of the living God. He called out in a loud voice to the four angels who had been given power to harm the land and the sea:
“Do not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the servants of our God.”
Then I heard the number of those who were sealed: 144,000 from all the tr ...[text shortened]... of Israel." ISRAEL.
How many of your "elite" JWs are from the tribes of Israel?
I wager NONE.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidYou are not quite getting what is being said in those scriptures but can't help you there.
“Six days later, Jesus took with him Peter and James and his brother John and led
them up a high mountain, by themselves. And he was transfigured before them,
and his face shone like the sun, and his clothes became dazzling white. Suddenly
there appeared to them Moses and Elijah, talking with him. Then Peter said to
Jesus, ‘Lord, it is good for us to be here; ...[text shortened]... istian worships Jesus because of his humanity
4. A Christian worships Jesus because of his humility
@divegeester saidLol. You are wrong about it all. Wish you weren't, but you don't have a chance. 🙁
He’s not going to answer you because he’s wrong, knows he’s wrong and is too proud to admit it.
@ghost-of-a-duke saidWell I've answered your question more then once. I can't make you understand it. Sorry....
No.
Charles Russell was not talking about kissing the hand of Jesus or any of your other attempts to water down the meaning of worship. - The truth is, you were wrong when you said your church has never worshipped Jesus. The founder of your church did just that, no matter how far you try to distance yourself from him.
@galveston75 saidAnyone need help yet? Try this:
@Ghost-of-a-Duke
OK my fine friend. I will answer this never nagging issue of worshiping Jesus. I'm only answering you because I respect you and your comments.......
I was hoping that all the highly educated ones here at this forum would take the time out to just go to a non religious, neutral book to see what the word WORSHIP means. So far it doesn't seem to happe ...[text shortened]... you would his Father. Are scriptures needed to prove this? Let me know if y'all can't find them....
@ghost-of-a-duke saidJust a quick question? How old was Jesus when the 3 wise men (astrologers) visited with Jesus?
@galveston75
As an aside, do you now accept you were wrong when you stated, "We have never worshiped Jesus or Michael. Jesus himself forbids it...." bearing in mind, Charles Russell, founder of Jehovah's Witnesses, taught that it was proper to worship Jesus and pray to him?
"It seems clear that His Divinity was retained in humanity because He repeatedly spoke of ...[text shortened]... e same reason would have prevented from receiving worship...."
Zion's Watch Tower 1880 Oct pp.2-3