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  1. Standard membersh76
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    04 Jun '20 20:05
    @sonhouse said
    https://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/politics/96000-patient-study-shows-hydroxychloroquine-increased-risk-of-death/90102945/

    Bottom line, NO GOOD. 400% increase in cardiac arrhythmia and more.

    Take this crap at your own risk.
    Wow!

    This study has now been retracted.

    https://www.thelancet.com/lancet/article/s0140673620313246

    I ain't no scientist, but do published scientific papers often get retracted after 2 weeks?
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    04 Jun '20 19:40
    @eladar said
    Sh76 is a conservative?

    Well maybe by northeast standards.
    I'll accept that.
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    04 Jun '20 19:38
    @vivify said
    I agree that Sh76 is by far the most intelligent and respectable conservative in Debates.
    Wow. I am humbled.

    Thank you.
  4. Standard membersh76
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    04 Jun '20 19:37
    @no1marauder said
    Be serious; no State Health Department is going to categorize a death like Floyd's as a COVID one merely because he tested positive more than a month and a half prior and was always asymptomatic.
    https://www.9news.com/article/news/investigations/colorado-coroner-says-death-listed-by-state-as-covid-19-related-has-much-more-to-do-with-alcohol/73-eec4517a-13dd-45bc-bc59-7e50cedf2272
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    04 Jun '20 17:44
    @mchill said
    I've posted 200+ word analyses of COVID trends, studies and treatment and nobody even responds to them.

    SH76 - Though I find your posts interesting, I confess some of it goes over my head. You're going to have to accept the fact you are a bit smarter and more analytical than most here. πŸ™‚
    Thank you. πŸ˜‰
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    04 Jun '20 17:43
    @zahlanzi said
    You are a liar. You know damn well someone murdered while having Covid isn't listed as dead of Covid. Someone comitting suicide because they got Covid isn't listed as dead of Covid.

    You're using a tragedy to try to be funny.


    Go fuk yourself.
    Heh.

    Shooting wildly with an empty chamber, as usual.

    From the Colorado Department of Public Health:

    "We classify a death as confirmed when where was a case who had a positive SARS-CoV-2 (COVID-19) laboratory test and then died."

    https://www.9news.com/article/news/local/next/gop-rep-alleges-falsified-covid-19-records-calls-for-indictment-of-colorados-top-health-official/73-bf02452f-4615-4efe-9413-a4826a8105b2

    From Illinois:

    The department also has begun identifying deaths that occurred among people who had been diagnosed with COVID-19 but died for other reasons not associated with the virus, she said.

    https://www.daily-chronicle.com/2020/05/12/idph-working-to-remove-covid-19-deaths-that-occurred-unrelated-to-diagnoses-from-data-totals-ezike-says/adzwefs/

    And plenty of others...
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    04 Jun '20 14:53
    (Google it if you want a source. It's all over the place)

    This is going to be interesting.

    Do they list him as a COVID death, as seems to be the practice in most states to list anyone who dies with COVID as a COVID death?

    If they do, does this provide a possible causation defense for the killer?

    Hmmm.
  8. Standard membersh76
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    04 Jun '20 14:342 edits
    @tom-wolsey said
    "Hydroxychloroquine Inneffective in Preventing COVID-19"

    Ok, thanks. But it was never intended to prevent Covid-19. It's not a vaccine. It treats symptoms and anecdotal evidence suggests it reduces recovery times.
    This study was on post-exposure prophylaxis. Prophylaxis is something that some people have said HCQ is good for. This is another piece of evidence that it's probably not.

    However, this study did not shed light on whether HCQ or some sort of HCQ cocktail could ease symptoms, reduce viral load or help lower death rates. There was no viral load measurements in this study (it was done remotely and most of the participants never even got tested).

    There were zero deaths of any participants in the study (control of HCQ group) and virtually no hospitalizations.

    It was as good a study as they could have done under the circumstances considering logistical constraints they were under in March, and it's a useful data point that HCQ likely has no significant effect of post-exposure prophylaxis, but it did not answer or purport to answer the more important questions (which are still being tested). Dr. Boulware conceded all of this on Twitter. They did another study on early treatment, but the results aren't ready yet. They're also now starting on a pre-exposure prophylaxis study.

    Incidentally, the study also showed no serious side effects in the HCQ group, further challenging the conclusion of the now-disgraced Lancet study released 2 weeks ago.

    I was disappointed by the results of this study, but in retrospect, it's hard to imagine how HCQ, which use is based on a theory of being used as an anti-inflammatory and/or as a zinc ionophore, ever had a realistic chance of being a useful COVID prophylactic.
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    04 Jun '20 13:51
    @shavixmir said
    Corona is a hoax!

    White heterosexual men are the victims!

    The deep state is doing something!

    trump has the nicest tasting anus on the planet.

    Guns! We need guns!

    Looters should be shot!

    Obama care, conspiracy, unfair!

    Etc.
    Ad infinitum, ad nauseum...

    Jesus. Thread after fukking thread of whining, right-wing, white, American men... complaining about ...[text shortened]... . No sense of reflection what-so-ever.

    And another thread
    And another
    And another
    And another
    I have an awesome idea.

    Why don't you go ahead and start a smart thread?

    I've posted 200+ word analyses of COVID trends, studies and treatment and nobody even responds to them.

    If you want to increase the niveau of the discussion here, then try posting serious discussions.
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    03 Jun '20 16:38
    @zahlanzi said
    Yeah! You're absolutely right, it only becomes a problem if the police shoot each and every citizen they come into contact with. Until then, the whiners need to whine less
    Whether whiners in general should whine less is debatable.

    That you should whine less is an immutable truth.
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    03 Jun '20 13:26
    @dood111 said
    The media in the US is toxic, they constantly push the notion that blacks are being hunted down by police and murdered every day for no...reason...whatsoever because it sells and is good for their ratings. Meanwhile they hide the horrendous amount of black on white violence from the public.
    There is blood on their hands for doing this because it legitimizes the idea that violence against cops and white people in general is deserved.
    It also happens to be a fact that more than twice the number of unarmed white people were killed by police in 2019 than unarmed black people (19 to 9). Yes, that's still a disproportionately high number of black people relative to population share, but it's hardly the open hunting season the CNNs of the world would have you believe.

    Now, obviously, the civil unrest is not just about police killings. It's about the mass incarceration culture of young black men. Criminal justice reform can help with that; but so can the reform of toxic inner city anti-police and anti-education culture. I don't know precisely how to go about accomplishing both of these Herculean tasks, but a study found that, for example, 27 percent of black men in the prime working years of their lives — between the ages of 25 and 54 — didn’t report earning a single dollar of income in 2014. Also according to today's NY Times, 1 in 5 black men have been to prison, a staggering number considering that, for example, I know exactly 3 people who have even been in prison and zero who are there now.
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    @techsouth said
    I wonder if any of the 800,000 law enforcement officers in the US ever did anything correctly too?
    I know, right?

    It's such a shame that all 120 billion police-citizen encounters over the past 30 years in the USA have ended with the death of at least one black man.
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    @teinosuke said
    I'm 41 and I'm certainly not worried about it on my own account.
    For the record, I'm 43 with no real underlying conditions that I know about.

    I still am somewhat concerned about COVID (if not dying then possibly suffering some sort of permanent damage), but not enough to cause me to stop living my life.

    I will continue to wear masks and take common sense precautions, but I won't keep my kids home from camp this summer and nor will I stop engaging in low risk activities like going shopping and playing in the parks. I don't think I'll be going to sporting events any time soon, even if they were available.

    I also visit my parents and take my kids to do so, though when I do, we sit outdoors 15 feet apart.

    We all sacrifice some safety to live our lives and it's a balancing test. Given the relatively low danger of COVID to most people, the enormous costs of lockdowns and the extreme decline of COVID incidences in NY, the calculus seems to have clearly shifted away from lockdowns.
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    @teinosuke said
    As far as I know, I have no underlying conditions and as I say, I'm not worried on my own account. I'm concerned for the elderly people I know and love.

    However, on a mere practical level, I just don't think it's as simple as opening up again. Things aren't going to go back to normal. The economy's not just about people going to work; it's about demand. A lot the wealth ...[text shortened]... r stay shuttered for the moment.

    Getting back to normal is going to be a long and tricky process.
    ===Or another scenario. Lockdown ends; social distancing ends. Young man (low-risk category) goes back to work. He contracts coronavirus. He has an undetected underlying condition, and dies. His family sues the business for negligence. Judge tells business to pay out a fortune. Business goes bust... I'm sure that business owners are thinking about this kind of scenario and concluding they'd better stay shuttered for the moment.===

    That sounds to me like a poor judicial decision. The consumer who chooses to patronize a business assumed to risk of contracting COVID and a court that holds a business liable for not preventing COVID transmission should be reversed (unless the business misrepresented the risk, of course).
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    @duchess64 said
    "Does Sh76 believe that IF a 'race war' DEVELOPS more overtly,
    then President Trump will gain even more white support?"
    --Duchess64

    I did not say that the riots are a 'race war'.

    But it would be absurd to deny that the protests are driven by black rage at white racism.
    ===But it would be absurd to deny that the protests are driven by black rage at white racism.===

    As I'm sure you'd agree, the reasons people are doing what they're doing are varied and complex.

    Still, as a broad brush early judgment:

    - The *protests* are mainly driven by rage at racism (by both black and white and to whatever extent justified)

    - The *riots* are mainly driven by agitation by far left/anarchist mostly-whites and opportunistic mostly-blacks.
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