Obviously a separate clan rating for each player is needed and most agreed with that and the ones that don't obviously want the system to stay the same way so they can keep abusing the system.
Now for points...
Forget the current points system and do a plus/minus score for each player.
Win a game and your player is plus one.
Lose or resign and your back to zero.
Lose or resign another game and you are now minus one.
At the end of the clan season/year you would tally up the points for the players and that is your clan score.
For smaller clans to have an equal chance you use percentages.
So a 20 man clan ended up with +18
A 10 man clan ended up with +9
Percentage wise they are equal.
Clearly it could be improved or whatever, but a plus/minus score for each player with a seperate clan rating would eliminate sandbagging casual games to lower their rating for clan games and resigning any clan games would hurt your plus/minus score.
@My-King-And-I saidHow and who is going to determine IF someone is sandbagging? That is not always an easy thing to see. Many factors can be involved in a rating change, which I have previously mentioned. We would have to have a Clan Challenge Rating just for the Clan Challenges. Then that would cut down on sandbagging not eliminate it.
Obviously a separate clan rating for each player is needed and most agreed with that and the ones that don't obviously want the system to stay the same way so they can keep abusing the system.
Now for points...
Forget the current points system and do a plus/minus score for each player.
Win a game and your player is plus one.
Lose or resign and your back to zero. ...[text shortened]... games to lower their rating for clan games and resigning any games would hurt your plus/minus score.
You are trying to change everything about the system we now have. Lets take a step at a time that everyone can agree on, not 5 or 6 people. I often wonder how many people are even interested and just want to play chess?
-VR
@My-King-And-I saidYou're idea may have some merit, but I don't believe it would work without having a Clan Challenge rating, if that doesn't happen nothing will change!!! Then we can go step by step trying to agree on changes, you or I don't say what the changes will be, we are just throwing around ideas. There have already been so many changes now in 19 years!!! Then the Changes would have to be agreed on by the majority of players that play in the Clan Challenges, not just the Clan leaders in my humble opinion.
@Very-Rusty
The current system doesn't work at all.
My idea prevents the abuse of the system.
-VR
@Very-Rusty saidYou've already admitted to ghost and Trev that your clan has done this.
Please stop trying to tell me I am trying to manipulate the ratings, that is a damn lie and you know it. You are again making FALSE ACCUSATIONS!!!
Why would I want to give another Clan the chance to hold up a Challenge??? That Sir is manipulation!!!
-VR
Y'all claimed it was part of the clan system.
Alert it all you want. It won't change the fact that all of us know what two clans killed this feature.
Now unless you have an idea for the plus/minus system, kindly kick rocks and let others give a thought before you ruin another thread.
@My-King-And-I saidWhat I said is we don't let a Challenge last longer than 4 months there is no need of that, all it means is someone on the other Clan is holding up the challenge, and NO WE WILL NOT ALLOW that to happen, got it? Michael would agree with me on that one for sure!!! Not that we agree on everything! That puts a stop to people holding up challenges, and if it is the same ones doing it we will start reporting them.
You've already admitted to ghost and Trev that your clan has done this.
Y'all claimed it was part of the clan system.
EDIT to your edit: Again don't try and tell me what to do, you haven't been around here long enough and went through all the rest of have over the years!!! You have no control over what I say, that is the Moderator and Russ not yours!!
-VR
@Very-Rusty saidHow convenient it lowers your rating for the next challenge right?
What I said is we don't let a Challenge last longer than 4 months there is no need of that, all it means is someone on the other Clan is holding up the challenge, and NO WE WILL NOT ALLOW that to happen, got it? Michael would agree with me on that one for sure!!! Not that we agree on everything! That puts a stop to people holding up challenges, and if it is the same ones doing it we will start reporting them.
-VR
@My-King-And-I saidYour pushing it!
If anyone other than the thread killer has any thoughts about the plus/minus points system please give a thought 🤔
-VR
@My-King-And-I saidIt stops people from thinking they can hold the challenge up by doing so especially in a won challenge!!! Nothing to do with ratings at all, you're just blowing hot air.
How convenient it lowers your rating for the next challenge right?
-VR
@Very-Rusty saidEvery game has a time control.
It stops people from thinking they can hold the challenge up by doing so especially in a won challenge!!! Nothing to do with ratings at all, you're just blowing hot air.
-VR
Thanks for admitting your clan resigns games for whatever made up reason y'all come up with.
@Very-Rusty saidHere's the thing.
What I said is we don't let a Challenge last longer than 4 months there is no need of that, all it means is someone on the other Clan is holding up the challenge, and NO WE WILL NOT ALLOW that to happen, got it? Michael would agree with me on that one for sure!!! Not that we agree on everything! That puts a stop to people holding up challenges, and if it is the same one ...[text shortened]... the years!!! You have no control over what I say, that is the Moderator and Russ not yours!!
-VR
Say you are playing a clan challenge against a clan, one member of whom invariably uses the full time allowance for every move. (Not because they are deliberately trying to hold up the challenge, but perhaps because they are carrying a large game load or can only login to the site for a limited time due to life pressures etc). - Now, if they are only playing a move, say every 5 days, that's only 6 moves a month, - say 24 moves in your 4 month period. - Now for that player, that have probably reached a stage in the game they are really enjoying, only for your clan opponent to suddenly abandon the game as they deem it to be 'holding up the challenge.'
Here is where speed and quantity is to the detriment of chess and the clan experience.
@My-King-And-I saidAs I have said if a Challenge is being held up on purpose and has went on for 4 months we will close it, PERIOD!!! That is more than enough time to play a 3/7 time limit. I would do it in 2 months if it was up to me!!! I finish games in a week, then there aren't a lot of players who play as fast as I do, but they are on here and I try to get matched up with them if possible. Seems like you have much to learn by the way your talking.
Every game has a time control.
Thanks for admitting your clan resigns games for whatever made up reason y'all come up with.
-VR