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Originally posted by yosimanIf you need a judge, who puts a (often highly personal) value on a performance, it's not a sport but a performance art.
Is hacky sack a sport?
Btw I think of dance as an art form, but my sister competes in it (ballroom) and there are judges so maybe the sport argument has some validity.
In sports, you have rules which decide who wins, not opinions. Of course one can differ in opinion on whether a certain decision by a referee was correct or not, but when you get down to it, that decision either was or was not correct. It was not a matter of "I think this schwalbe was worth 7.4 points"; it was a matter of "This was/was not a schwalbe".
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25 Sep 11
Originally posted by Shallow BlueThat makes sense, yet I've always considered snowboarding and skateboarding sports and those have judges as well.
If you need a judge, who puts a (often highly personal) value on a performance, it's not a sport but a performance art.
In sports, you have rules which decide who wins, not opinions. Of course one can differ in opinion on whether a certain decision by a referee was correct or not, but when you get down to it, that decision either was or was not corr ...[text shortened]... chwalbe was worth 7.4 points"; it was a matter of "This was/was not a schwalbe".
Richard
27 Sep 11
If physical exertion was a defining criteria then chess would not be sport.
But chess, especially in a tournament or championship level is definitely a strain on the player. Perhaps mental strain is just as much, if not more of an exertion than physical strain.
But to say that dance is just a sport, it is much more than a sport, it is an art-form.
The weightlifter doesn't make this sport an art, does he?
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Originally posted by yosimanWell, I'm stubborn - I don't consider those sports, either. And ski jumping only half - the distance part of the score is a sport, the style part is a performance art. In fact, I first considered this when they suddenly started demanding the style (cross-skied, I think, BICBW) which had been most vituperously marked down in the previous years.
That makes sense, yet I've always considered snowboarding and skateboarding sports and those have judges as well.
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Originally posted by karoly aczelYe-hesss... but they shouldn't. Referees are there, in principle, only to decide on infractions and applications of the rules. And those rules are, or should be, clear. In other words, two ideal referees can be swapped around and not a jot would change about their decisions.
Sports have "judges" in the form of referees who MAY serve the same purpose helping one team, (or indivual), beat the other!😞
Two judges, by contrast, give their aesthetical opinion, which reasonably can and does differ. In fact, it should differ. That's why they have a board of judges, and not just one.
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30 Sep 11
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Originally posted by Shallow BlueWhat is wrong with that? Who decided a sport has to be established? Who said it had to be professional?
Then competitive eating is also a sport, as is giving your classmates Indian burns.
Richard
And to the person who said chess doesn't take physical exertion... pshawww!