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  1. Subscriber huckleberryhound
    Devout Agnostic.
    25 Feb '08 18:54
    The Great Tao has no form;
    It brings forth and raises heaven and earth.
    The Great Tao has no feelings;
    It regulates the course of the sun and the moon.

    The Great Tao has no name;
    It raises and nourishes the myriad beings.
    I do not know its name —
    So I call it Tao.

    The Tao can be pure or turbid, moving or tranquil.
    Heaven is pure, earth is turbid;
    Heaven is moving, earth is tranquil.
    The male is moving, the female is tranquil.

    Descending from the origin,
    Flowing toward the end,
    The myriad beings are being born.

    Purity — the source of turbidity.
    Movement — the root of tranquillity.

    Always be pure and tranquil;
    Heaven and earth
    Return to the primordial.

    The human spirit is fond of purity,
    But the mind disturbs it.
    The human mind is fond of tranquillity,
    But desires meddle with it.

    Get rid of desires for good,
    And the mind will be calm.
    Cleanse your mind,
    And the spirit will be pure.

    Naturally the six desires won't arise,
    The three poisons are destroyed.
    Whoever cannot do this
    Has not yet cleansed his mind,
    His desires are not yet driven out.

    Those who have abandoned their desires:
    Observe your mind by introspection —
    And see there is no mind.

    Then observe the body,
    Look at yourself from without —
    And see there is no body.

    Then observe others by glancing out afar —
    And see there are no beings.

    Once you have realised these three,
    You observe emptiness!

    Use emptiness to observe emptiness,
    And see there is no emptiness.
    When even emptiness is no more,
    There is no more nonbeing either.

    Without even the existence of nonbeing
    There is only serenity,
    Profound and everlasting.

    When serenity dissolves in nothingness —
    How could there be desires?
    When no desires arise
    You have found true tranquillity.

    In true tranquillity, go along with beings;
    In true permanence, realize inner nature.
    Forever going along, forever tranquil —
    This is permanent purity, lasting tranquillity.

    In purity and tranquillity,
    Gradually enter the true Tao.
    When the true Tao is entered,
    It is realised.

    Though we speak of "realized,"
    Actually there is nothing to attain.
    Rather, we speak of realization
    When someone begins to transform the myriad beings.

    Only who has properly understood this
    Is worthy to transmit the sages' Tao.

    The highest gentleman does not fight;
    The lesser gentleman loves to fight.
    Highest Virtue is free from Virtue;
    Lesser Virtue clings to Virtue.

    All clinging and attachments
    Have nothing to do with the Tao or the Virtue.

    People fail to realize the Tao
    Because they have deviant minds.
    Deviance in the mind
    Means the spirit is alarmed.

    Spirit alarmed,
    There is clinging to things.
    Clinging to things,
    There is searching and coveting.

    Searching and coveting,
    There are passions and afflictions.
    Passions, afflictions, deviance, and imaginings
    Trouble and pester mind and body.

    Then one falls into turbidity and shame,
    Ups and downs, life and death.
    Forever immersed in the sea of misery,
    One is in eternity lost to the true Tao.

    The Tao of true permanence
    Will naturally come to those who understand.
    Those who understand the realization of the Tao
    Will rest forever in the pure and tranquil.
  2. 25 Feb '08 20:48
    Originally posted by huckleberryhound
    The Great Tao has no form;
    It brings forth and raises heaven and earth.
    The Great Tao has no feelings;
    It regulates the course of the sun and the moon.

    The Great Tao has no name;
    It raises and nourishes the myriad beings.
    I do not know its name —
    So I call it Tao.

    The Tao can be pure or turbid, moving or tranquil.
    Heaven is pur ...[text shortened]... hose who understand the realization of the Tao
    Will rest forever in the pure and tranquil.
    Where's the culture here? Take it to Spirituality, spanky.
  3. Subscriber huckleberryhound
    Devout Agnostic.
    25 Feb '08 21:03
    Originally posted by Starrman
    Where's the culture here? Take it to Spirituality, spanky.
    Taoism wasn't a religion when this was penned, it was a philosophy.

    But thank you for a predictable response. So what am i allowed to post in this forum sir ?
  4. 25 Feb '08 21:05
    Originally posted by huckleberryhound
    Taoism wasn't a religion when this was penned, it was a philosophy.

    But thank you for a predictable response. So what am i allowed to post in this forum sir ?
    In all seriousness, philosophy is very much a spiritual thing if you ask me.

    As for your second question - who knows?? What you're listening to, reading to, watching, I guess...
  5. 25 Feb '08 21:07
    Originally posted by huckleberryhound
    Taoism wasn't a religion when this was penned, it was a philosophy.

    But thank you for a predictable response. So what am i allowed to post in this forum sir ?
    a) You can't just lump all philosophy in the culture bracket.
    b) All spirituality isn't religion
    c) No
  6. Standard member Palynka
    Upward Spiral
    25 Feb '08 21:12
    Originally posted by Starrman
    b) All spirituality isn't religion
    I tend to disagree with this statement. What differences do you think are fundamental?
  7. 25 Feb '08 21:24
    Originally posted by Starrman
    Where's the culture here? Take it to Spirituality, spanky.
    This isn't Spirituality? Am I lost in some bardo again...?
  8. 25 Feb '08 21:25
    Originally posted by Palynka
    I tend to disagree with this statement. What differences do you think are fundamental?
    I view spirituality as the central urges of the mind, the desire to question, to understand existence. I do not consider this to have any ties to an institution peddling the supernatural.
  9. 25 Feb '08 21:25
    Originally posted by vistesd
    This isn't Spirituality? Am I lost in some bardo again...?
    It seems the thread was moved here from 'Cultural'.
  10. Subscriber huckleberryhound
    Devout Agnostic.
    25 Feb '08 21:31
    Originally posted by Starrman
    It seems the thread was moved here from 'Cultural'.
    It seems....you posted in it while it was there.




    Apparently Culture is another thing dictated by the morons of this site.
  11. 25 Feb '08 21:32
    Originally posted by Starrman
    It seems the thread was moved here from 'Cultural'.
    Ah! I just found "Cultural". Thanks.
  12. 25 Feb '08 21:38
    Originally posted by Palynka
    I tend to disagree with this statement. What differences do you think are fundamental?
    Just to be pre-emptive: my prior comments regarding the Hsin-Hsin Ming also apply, broadly, to the Qingjing jing. 🙂
  13. 25 Feb '08 21:39
    Originally posted by huckleberryhound
    It seems....you posted in it while it was there.




    Apparently Culture is another thing dictated by the morons of this site.
    Oh calm down. You posted a directly spiritual piece, with no addition to tie it to a cultural point, I think this is the right forum for such a thing.
  14. Subscriber huckleberryhound
    Devout Agnostic.
    25 Feb '08 21:43 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by Starrman
    Oh calm down. You posted a directly spiritual piece, with no addition to tie it to a cultural point, I think this is the right forum for such a thing.
    And obviously the mods felt the same way.....i wonder how that happened, no bias atall, obviously.

    Maybe a yoghurt post, that would bring culture to the thread hahaha.



    Since you have the say on what is culture and what is not, prey tell....what are we allowed to post in the culture forum ?
  15. Standard member Palynka
    Upward Spiral
    25 Feb '08 21:49
    Originally posted by Starrman
    I view spirituality as the central urges of the mind, the desire to question, to understand existence. I do not consider this to have any ties to an institution peddling the supernatural.
    This is an artificial distinction. Religion doesn't not necessarily imply institutionalization.

    I know several followers of Christ that do not follow the institution. Are they not religious? Yet they consider themselves so. Examples like this abound.