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  1. Zugzwang
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    30 Dec '17 19:30
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/dec/28/donald-trump-white-america-republican-party

    "‘Trumpism’ is ingrained in white America. When he goes, it will remain.
    The Republican party’s leader is no anomaly, he’s a voice for its deep-seated
    radicalised base who suddenly find themselves in the mainstream ."
    --Cas Muddle

    "This “externalisation” of the far right was at its height during the 2016
    presidential campaign, in which Trump was portrayed as a political anomaly
    who had hijacked the Republican party. Conservatives and mainstream
    Republicans argued that he didn’t really represent what was at heart a
    moderate conservative party. They found much support among liberals,
    most notably Hillary Clinton, who focused much of her campaign on
    “moderate Republicans”.

    However, for years surveys have shown that strong authoritarian, nativist and
    populist positions command pluralities, if not majorities, among Republican supporters.
    Positions on crime, immigration and Islam have hardened rather than
    weakened, while conspiracy theories that were at the fringes of the militia
    movement in the 1990s are now widespread."

    "Trump didn’t hijack the Republican party, he provided the base with a
    real representative again. But just as the Koch brothers didn’t control the
    Tea Party, Trump doesn’t control “Trumpism”. He is merely the current
    voice of the radicalised base."

    "But while calling the far right “un-American” might make for good politics,
    it expresses a blatant and dangerous lack of historical understanding.
    Populist radical right ideas such as Trumpism have always been widespread
    within white American society."
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    30 Dec '17 19:331 edit
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/dec/28/donald-trump-white-america-republican-party

    "‘Trumpism’ is ingrained in white America. When he goes, it will remain.
    The Republican party’s leader is no anomaly, he’s a voice for its deep-seated
    radicalised base who suddenly find themselves in the mainstream ."
    --Cas Muddle

    "This “externalis ...[text shortened]... dical right ideas such as Trumpism have always been widespread
    within white American society."
    White America?

    Do you agree that these comments are racist?
  3. Zugzwang
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    30 Dec '17 19:392 edits
    Originally posted by @eladar
    White America?
    Do you agree that these comments are racist?
    The racist troll Eladar hastens to accuse the article's author of anti-white racism.
    Cas Muddle is an associate professor at the University of Georgia.
    Judging from his photo, he's white (born in the Netherlands).

    http://spia.uga.edu/faculty-member/cas-mudde/
  4. Subscriberno1marauder
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    30 Dec '17 20:43
    Originally posted by @eladar
    White America?

    Do you agree that these comments are racist?
    So observing that "Populist radical right ideas such as Trumpism have always been widespread within white American society" makes you a "racist"?

    How exactly?
  5. Standard memberHandyAndy
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    30 Dec '17 21:15
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    "‘Trumpism’ is ingrained in white America. When he goes, it will remain.
    The Republican party’s leader is no anomaly, he’s a voice for its deep-seated
    radicalised base who suddenly find themselves in the mainstream ."
    --Cas Muddle
    His name is Mudde.
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    30 Dec '17 22:12
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/dec/28/donald-trump-white-america-republican-party

    "‘Trumpism’ is ingrained in white America. When he goes, it will remain.
    The Republican party’s leader is no anomaly, he’s a voice for its deep-seated
    radicalised base who suddenly find themselves in the mainstream ."
    --Cas Muddle

    "This “externalis ...[text shortened]... dical right ideas such as Trumpism have always been widespread
    within white American society."
    I think this is partially correct, but there are some notable exceptions. Many people voted for Trump because they sincerely thought Trump was less of a Republican, and more of a 3rd party alternative that was going to do away with establishment cronyism and bring back many of the blue collar jobs that had gone offshore, others voted for Trump because he was able to frame Hillary Clinton as a typical corrupt political hack that was an example of the problem and not the solution. While these things were mostly lies, he had just enough help from Mother Russia to win. In looking back, this may have been a good thing. Trump and the GOP have become very unpopular, and they have no Hillary Clinton to blame it on. 2018 and 2020 are looking brighter for the Liberals.
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    30 Dec '17 22:30
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    The racist troll Eladar hastens to accuse the article's author of anti-white racism.
    Cas Muddle is an associate professor at the University of Georgia.
    Judging from his photo, he's white (born in the Netherlands).

    http://spia.uga.edu/faculty-member/cas-mudde/
    So if he is a white male he can't be a racist.
  8. Zugzwang
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    31 Dec '17 00:04
    Originally posted by @eladar
    So if he is a white male he can't be a racist.
    Eladar has claimed that this white man's a racist against white people.
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    31 Dec '17 00:081 edit
    Originally posted by @eladar
    So if he is a white male he can't be a racist.

    Oh, no, you're racist, alright.
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    31 Dec '17 02:15
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    Eladar has claimed that this white man's a racist against white people.
    Of course he is. He believes all white people in America believes a certain way.

    He is breaking the US up into tacial groups as ofthere is validity to racial segregation.
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    31 Dec '17 02:31
    Originally posted by @eladar
    Of course he is. He believes all white people in America believes a certain way.

    He is breaking the US up into tacial groups as ofthere is validity to racial segregation.
    That's an almost comical statement from a poster who has started numerous threads discussing the poorer performance of blacks on IQ tests.

    Obviously you didn't bother to read the article; saying that some views are "widespread" among a group does not equal a belief that "all" those in the group share them.
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    31 Dec '17 03:21
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    That's an almost comical statement from a poster who has started numerous threads discussing the poorer performance of blacks on IQ tests.

    Obviously you didn't bother to read the article; saying that some views are "widespread" among a group does not equal a belief that "all" those in the group share them.
    Almost comical to say people should get equal categorisation?

    If you claim I am a racist for pointing out a factual iq divide, this guy should be a racist too.
  13. Subscriberno1marauder
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    31 Dec '17 03:33
    Originally posted by @eladar
    Almost comical to say people should get equal categorisation?

    If you claim I am a racist for pointing out a factual iq divide, this guy should be a racist too.
    It's amusing that you can't see the hypocrisy of such an argument as used by you.

    If all you did was point out the difference in IQ score between races that would be unobjectionable, but you instead implicitly (and sometimes explicitly) claim that such results show blacks are innately intellectually inferior. That, of course, is the very definition of racism.
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    31 Dec '17 03:44
    Originally posted by @no1marauder
    It's amusing that you can't see the hypocrisy of such an argument as used by you.

    If all you did was point out the difference in IQ score between races that would be unobjectionable, but you instead implicitly (and sometimes explicitly) claim that such results show blacks are innately intellectually inferior. That, of course, is the very definition of racism.
    It is funny you can't see the hypocrisy of your words. But hey, if you were not blind to your hypocrisy you couldn't be as you are. You must be what you are.
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    31 Dec '17 04:111 edit
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/dec/28/donald-trump-white-america-republican-party

    "‘Trumpism’ is ingrained in white America. When he goes, it will remain.
    The Republican party’s leader is no anomaly, he’s a voice for its deep-seated
    radicalised base who suddenly find themselves in the mainstream ."
    --Cas Muddle

    "This “externalis ...[text shortened]... dical right ideas such as Trumpism have always been widespread
    within white American society."
    http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/21/politics/donald-trump-hillary-clinton-popular-vote-final-count/index.html
    More Americans voted for Hillary Clinton than any other losing presidential candidate in US history.
    Yes, racism and fascist views are rampant in the Untied States and held by a large minority. it is a serious problem for the United States and the world.
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