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  1. SubscriberSuzianne
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    17 Jul '18 12:58
    Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.
    (June 25, 1948, ch. 645, 62 Stat. 807; Pub. L. 103–322, title XXXIII, § 330016(2)(J), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)


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    17 Jul '18 13:10
    Bush and Clinton
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    17 Jul '18 13:51
    Originally posted by @kquinn909
    Bush and Clinton
    Yeah, NEVER Trump......
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    17 Jul '18 15:121 edit
    Originally posted by @kquinn909
    Bush and Clinton
    Obama as well any other who suggests allowing large scale immigration from violent Islamic regions.
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    17 Jul '18 15:33
    Originally posted by @eladar
    Obama as well any other who suggests allowing large scale immigration from violent Islamic regions.
    When did Obama suggest "large scale immigration (sic)" from "violent Islamic regions"?

    And how is it comparable to assisting an enemy military with attacks on your country?
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    17 Jul '18 16:03
    Originally posted by @kazetnagorra
    When did Obama suggest "large scale immigration (sic)" from "violent Islamic regions"?

    And how is it comparable to assisting an enemy military with attacks on your country?
    Lol leftist euro trash.
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    17 Jul '18 16:29
    Originally posted by @eladar
    Lol leftist euro trash.
    Aww, that's cute. Reality starting to dawn on you, is it? You voted a Russian agent into office, just because he said he hates brown people as much as you do. Whoops!

    Haha.
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    17 Jul '18 17:14
    Originally posted by @kazetnagorra
    Aww, that's cute. Reality starting to dawn on you, is it? You voted a Russian agent into office, just because he said he hates brown people as much as you do. Whoops!

    Haha.
    Reality like you being worthless euro trash? Yeah that reality settled in long ago.

    You are worthless but believe otherwise lol.
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    17 Jul '18 17:34
    Originally posted by @eladar
    Reality like you being worthless euro trash? Yeah that reality settled in long ago.

    You are worthless but believe otherwise lol.
    Sure, buddy. You know, it's only going to get worse, every day you delay apologizing for not voting for Hillary Clinton. You can still salvage some of your dignity. Not much, but some. You'll obviously always remain, along with all the other Trump voters, the laughing stock of the world, but you don't have to be a collaborator with an hostile military controlled by a brutal dictator against your own country.
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    17 Jul '18 17:422 edits
    Originally posted by @suzianne
    Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any offic ...[text shortened]... , title XXXIII, § 330016(2)(J), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)


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    Oh yes, but it's a pity treason doesn't include submitting to a hostile foreign leader like a sniveling little coward on national television, because we'd have an open and shut case after what we saw yesterday ! 🙂
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    17 Jul '18 17:50
    Originally posted by @mchill
    Oh yes, but it's a pity treason doesn't include submitting to a hostile foreign leader like a sniveling little coward on national television, because we'd have an open and shut case after what we saw yesterday ! 🙂
    Lol..I can only do what you want after I get elected.

    You are pathetic trash as well.
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    17 Jul '18 18:151 edit
    Originally posted by @suzianne
    Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any offic ...[text shortened]... , title XXXIII, § 330016(2)(J), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)


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    "Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States..."

    Donald Trump's ultimate allegiance evidently is to himself.

    "... levies war against them or adheres to their enemies"

    'Enemies' refers to official declared enemies in war.
    Has the USA officially declared war against anyone recently?
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    17 Jul '18 18:33
    Originally posted by @suzianne
    Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any offic ...[text shortened]... , title XXXIII, § 330016(2)(J), Sept. 13, 1994, 108 Stat. 2148.)


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    poor fool...
  14. SubscriberSuzianne
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    17 Jul '18 19:49
    Originally posted by @mchill
    Oh yes, but it's a pity treason doesn't include submitting to a hostile foreign leader like a sniveling little coward on national television, because we'd have an open and shut case after what we saw yesterday ! 🙂
    "Giving aid and comfort" to our enemies certainly does apply.
  15. Zugzwang
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    17 Jul '18 20:083 edits
    Originally posted by @suzianne to Mchill
    "Giving aid and comfort" to our enemies certainly does apply.
    Russia's not an official declared enemy in war of the USA.

    The US Constitution usually sets a high bar to clear in cases of treason.
    But that did not prevent the unjust conviction of Iva Toguri D'Aquino (allegedly 'Tokyo Rose' ),
    which apparently was influenced by popular hysteria and racism against a Japanese American woman.
    There were demands for her execution. She later received a pardon by President Ford.
    (Unfortunately, some Americans remember only her conviction for treason and not the
    proof of her innocence, which led to the presidential pardon.)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iva_Toguri_D%27Aquino

    "After the Japanese defeat, Toguri was detained for a year by the United States military
    before being released for lack of evidence. Department of Justice officials agreed that
    her broadcasts were "innocuous", but when Toguri tried to return to the US, a popular
    uproar ensued, prompting the Federal Bureau of Investigation to renew its investigation
    of Toguri's wartime activities. She was subsequently charged by the United States
    Attorney's Office with eight counts of treason. Her 1949 trial resulted in a conviction on
    one count, making her the seventh American to be convicted on that charge, for which
    she spent more than six years out of a ten-year sentence in prison. Journalistic and
    governmental investigators years later pieced together the history of irregularities with
    the indictment, trial, and conviction, including the allegation that key witnesses had
    perjured themselves at the various stages of their testimonies. Toguri received a pardon
    in 1977 from U.S. President Gerald Ford. "

    "Grand jurors had been skeptical of the government's case. Tom DeWolfe, the Special
    Assistant Attorney General, was "a veteran of radio treason prosecutions" who complained
    that "it was necessary for me to practically make a fourth of July speech in order to
    obtain [an] indictment", leading him to urge the Department of Justice to further investigate
    and so "shore up" the case in Japan. The further work, however, "created new problems
    for DeWolfe", and soon after D'Aquino was indicted, government witness Hiromu Yagi
    "admitted that his grand jury testimony was perjured.

    In 1976, an investigation by Chicago Tribune reporter Ron Yates discovered that Kenkichi Oki
    and George Mitsushio, who had given the most damaging testimony at Toguri's trial, had
    perjured themselves. They stated that FBI and U.S. occupation police had coached them
    for over two months about what they were to say on the stand, and had been threatened
    with treason trials themselves if they didn't cooperate."

    My point is that the US Constitution has failed to protect a US citizen from being wrongly
    convicted of treason upon the basis of US government-compelled perjured testimonies.

    So I would submit that Americans (though I don't expect them to listen to a historian like me)
    should be much more careful about throwing around inflammatory accusations of treason.
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