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    21 Jul '16 23:37
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-south-west-side-shootings-injure-four-including-girl-6-20160719-story.html

    It's Ok though, it was only in Chicago and it was blacks killing blacks.

    Nothing to see here.
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    21 Jul '16 23:49
    Originally posted by whodey
    http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/local/breaking/ct-south-west-side-shootings-injure-four-including-girl-6-20160719-story.html

    It's Ok though, it was only in Chicago and it was blacks killing blacks.

    Nothing to see here.
    do you know what the percentage of whites murdering whites out of total of murders involving whites is?


    how about you stop being disgusting and actually learn something.
    According to the Department of Justice between 1980 – 2008 white-on-white homicide was at 84% and black-on-black homicide at 93%.
    whites kill whites too. can you guess why? could it be that maybe most homicides happen within certain communities? that if 2 people have a disagreement that would lead to murder, most likely they belong to the same racial group?
  3. Unknown Territories
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    22 Jul '16 01:23
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    do you know what the percentage of whites murdering whites out of total of murders involving whites is?


    how about you stop being disgusting and actually learn something.
    According to the Department of Justice between 1980 – 2008 white-on-white homicide was at 84% and black-on-black homicide at 93%.
    whites kill whites too. can you guess why? could it ...[text shortened]... have a disagreement that would lead to murder, most likely they belong to the same racial group?
    Gee, not sure how you missed the point, Mr. Statistician.
    The current vibe is, instead of bemoaning the trivially small number of cop-on-black violence, how's about the idiots at BLM start protesting the outrageously obscene occurrence of black-on-black crimes?
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    22 Jul '16 03:081 edit
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    do you know what the percentage of whites murdering whites out of total of murders involving whites is?


    how about you stop being disgusting and actually learn something.
    According to the Department of Justice between 1980 – 2008 white-on-white homicide was at 84% and black-on-black homicide at 93%.
    whites kill whites too. can you guess why? could it ...[text shortened]... have a disagreement that would lead to murder, most likely they belong to the same racial group?
    My god, the ignorance of this statement is astounding. You are part of the US that has absolutely zero critical thinking skills. Blacks represent 13 percent of the US population. Yet they "out-murder" 77 percent ( whites including Latinos) of the US population by 10 odd percent on an annual basis. Use your brain...you know...that worthless lump that sits three feet above your mouth before you start regurgitating statistics you don't actually understand.

    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/table-43
  5. Standard membervivify
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    22 Jul '16 03:132 edits
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    Gee, not sure how you missed the point, Mr. Statistician.
    The current vibe is, instead of bemoaning the trivially small number of cop-on-black violence, how's about the idiots at BLM start protesting the outrageously obscene occurrence of black-on-black crimes?
    A) It's not a "small number".

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/31/the-counted-police-killings-2015-young-black-men

    In 2015, 1,134 blacks were killed by cops. That's just ONE year.

    b) Injustice from police is far different from murders committed by members of the same racial and social group. The latter is cultural, while the former is political.

    Cops are employed by the local government, and hold power over people that the average citizen doesn't have. That's why you can't compare violence within a racial demographic to violence received by those with legal authority to pull you over and put you in cuffs.
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    22 Jul '16 08:36
    Originally posted by joe shmo
    My god, the ignorance of this statement is astounding. You are part of the US that has absolutely zero critical thinking skills. Blacks represent 13 percent of the US population. Yet they "out-murder" 77 percent ( whites including Latinos) of the US population by 10 odd percent on an annual basis. Use your brain...you know...that worthless lump that sits ...[text shortened]... understand.

    https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2014/crime-in-the-u.s.-2014/tables/table-43
    that's a different statistic, dumbass.

    i was responding to his "most blacks are killed by other blacks" by showing that most whites are killed by whites as well.
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    22 Jul '16 09:05
    Originally posted by joe shmo
    .... Use your brain...you know...that worthless lump that sits three feet above your mouth before you start regurgitating statistics you don't actually understand.

    three feet above the mouth???
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    22 Jul '16 09:07
    Originally posted by Ponderable
    three feet above the mouth???
    imperial system is hard
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    22 Jul '16 11:591 edit
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    imperial system is hard
    Again...critical thinking skills are imperitive to understanding this subtle insult. I'm surprised Ponderable missed it. You...not so much; so I'll spell it out. I'm implying that you talk out of your arse.
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    22 Jul '16 12:23
    Originally posted by joe shmo
    Again...critical thinking skills are imperitive to understanding this subtle insult. I'm surprised Ponderable missed it. You...not so much; so I'll spell it out. I'm implying that you talk out of your arse.
    Imperative
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    22 Jul '16 13:25
    Originally posted by vivify
    A) It's not a "small number".

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2015/dec/31/the-counted-police-killings-2015-young-black-men

    In 2015, 1,134 blacks were killed by cops. That's just ONE year.

    b) Injustice from police is far different from murders committed by members of the same racial and social group. The latter is cultural, while the former i ...[text shortened]... raphic to violence received by those with legal authority to pull you over and put you in cuffs.
    It's comforting to know you have the ability to quote news articles you find after frantically Googling something/anything to support your belief.
    It's even more comforting to know you lack the ability to ascertain the point of the article, as demonstrated by your inability to quote it accurately.
    Cops did not kill 1,134 blacks in 2015.
    Go back and read the article, this time note the words, their meaning and the order thereof.

    Here's why it's comforting: when armchair leaders wind up and fling their crap hither and yon, hoping something will stick, we can rest assured their drive for social justice is supported by (at best) ignorance or (at worst) a half-assed approach to life.
  12. Standard membervivify
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    22 Jul '16 13:433 edits
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    It's comforting to know you have the ability to quote news articles you find after frantically Googling something/anything to support your belief.
    It's even more comforting to know you lack the ability to ascertain the point of the article, as demonstrated by your inability to quote it accurately.
    Cops did not kill 1,134 blacks in 2015.
    Go back and read ...[text shortened]... social justice is supported by (at best) ignorance or (at worst) a half-assed approach to life.
    "Frantically Googling"?

    Hey buddy: Google "how many blacks are killed by cops". Literally the FIRST search result is the article I posted. Google it right now and see for yourself.

    EDIT: In fact, just to rub it in your face, I'll post it for you:

    https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=how+many+blacks+are+killed+by+cops

    So much for your attempt at internet swagger.

    I did make a mistake on what the article was saying. However, just this year, 136 blacks were killed by cops, and it's only half over:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/black-people-killed-by-police-america_us_577da633e4b0c590f7e7fb17

    Given the percentage of blacks in the U.S., this number in a year only half over is still not a "small" number.
  13. Standard memberfinnegan
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    22 Jul '16 14:11
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    It's comforting to know you have the ability to quote news articles you find after frantically Googling something/anything to support your belief.
    It's even more comforting to know you lack the ability to ascertain the point of the article, as demonstrated by your inability to quote it accurately.
    Cops did not kill 1,134 blacks in 2015.
    Go back and read ...[text shortened]... social justice is supported by (at best) ignorance or (at worst) a half-assed approach to life.
    The reason why armchair leaders throw crap hither and yon is that crap is the best information they can get hold of.

    For anyone who has studied statistics and social research in any way at all, even the article cited above offers enough room to debate the methods and the statistics for weeks and that would, indeed, be an interesting debate. Sadly it is not a debate that most people want or that most people have the knowledge of statistics to engage with.

    The video embedded in the article was arguably more concise and informative than the text and tables. It pointed out that the failure of the US public authorities to compile and publish consistent and meaningful statistics regarding police related deaths is holding back awareness and preventing informed debate and needs to be corrected. It goes on to acknowledge the limitations of the work reported in the article before observing that even so it has already exposed a complex and challenging picture for policy makers to consider. This goes far beyond police bashing and is just as important for police authorities wishing to do their job professionally and to earn public consent, without which police work is ten times harder.

    Sadly I predict that most US public bodies (viz politicians) will strongly resist the collection of meaningful data because they will not want to see the results made public. If you think that is a prejudiced, anti-American remark, look for instance at Republican blocks against any social science work that even looks into the impact of gun policies on the health and safety of Americans. It is just not even allowable to do the reearch because the gun lobby does not want it to happen and Republican (probably also Democrat) politicians succumb to their lobbying.

    However, it goes beyond lobbying by special interests. Sociological data demonstrating that the issue is inequality not race, not even police policy, would not be tolerated in public debate. The US is an extreme outlier in police violence becuase it is also an extreme outlier in inequality.

    Again, refer to the video not the text. To understand police behaviour it helps to understand the policies they are implementing. The video references the unfair and racist imposition of trivial fines and penalties, which disproportionately affect black citizens and which white citizens do not even notice - they are not the victims here. Maybe that context helps when you notice that a Black victim of police violence had been stopped for a traffic violation - sure they were, they are over and over, while white drivers suffer far less of this over zealous policing. It does not mention the excessive incarceration of black people for crimes which are prosecuted less vigorosuly when white people are involved, but obviously again for black citizens being stopped by the police has much more sinister implications than it has for white citizens.

    Ultimately, it does not mention the racialisation of class politics, in which black people are assigned overwhelmingly to the least advantaged and most deprived economic status. When most crime and most violence correlates with social inequality, and when black people are more likely to be deprived, then it is not a big deal to identify correlations of black people and crime. American media ignore the chains of causation and use racism to blind us to social issues of profound significance.
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    22 Jul '16 15:09
    Originally posted by vivify
    "Frantically Googling"?

    Hey buddy: Google "how many blacks are killed by cops". Literally the FIRST search result is the article I posted. Google it right now and see for yourself.

    EDIT: In fact, just to rub it in your face, I'll post it for you:

    https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=how+many+blacks+are+kil ...[text shortened]... ntage of blacks in the U.S., this number in a year only half over is still not a "small" number.
    My "attempt at internet swagger"?
    That was not an attempt, viv: that was Mission Accomplished!

    Since you were kind enough to post the link, I read the article.
    And... (in fact, just to rub it in your face)...

    You're right: you got it wrong.
    You posted a link, quoted a number from the article... and then you jacked up the application.

    Again, Exhibit A why SJW's just can't be trusted; with either information or the analysis thereof.
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    22 Jul '16 15:24
    Originally posted by finnegan
    The reason why armchair leaders throw crap hither and yon is that crap is the best information they can get hold of.

    For anyone who has studied statistics and social research in any way at all, even the article cited above offers enough room to debate the methods and the statistics for weeks and that would, indeed, be an interesting debate. Sadly it is ...[text shortened]... re the chains of causation and use racism to blind us to social issues of profound significance.
    Agree in part, disagree in part.
    When I was a younger driver I had several opportunities to contribute to the various local municipalities' traffic funds on account of irresponsible driving habits.
    Great slice of life, the folks who converge in traffic court... or so you would think.
    Unlike the DMV where licenses/plates are renewed every year or so and which are birthday dependent, traffic court is generally populated with folks very similar to the punk I used to be.
    They're young-ish, questionable employment status, generally unstable economically.
    And they represent the broad range of ethnicity which resides in the area.
    Of course, the occasional middle aged man or woman, the very rare elderly person, but predominately it's those with 'nothing to lose' you'll see more often than all others combined.
    Without question, cops profile this demographic: they know where to get the easy money, the multiple streams of revenue.
    Stable folks speed, don't wear their seat belt or miss the renewal of their tabs.
    But they're one and done: they pay their money and move on, not to be heard from again.
    Getting the 'nothing to lose' group on the line?
    This ticket is going to set them back, so they won't renew their license next month which will put them in an even worse spot then.
    Then they'll drop their insurance, forego the tabs or etc., exposing themselves to even more financial sanctions.
    It inures them to the whole process of becoming wards of the state.
    Cops typically ;rule' by the pot-hole policy, hitting on the minor issues to avoid the bigger escalations and so they spend most of their time going where the pot-holes are as well as where they can justify their time by bringing in the most money.
    Easy targets.
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