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  1. 23 Apr '16 17:55
    http://freebeacon.com/issues/1-5-families-u-s-no-one-works/

    Libtard utopia.
  2. 23 Apr '16 17:59
    Originally posted by Eladar
    http://freebeacon.com/issues/1-5-families-u-s-no-one-works/

    Libtard utopia.
    It's "W"'s fault, but Reagan started it.
  3. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    23 Apr '16 18:39
    Originally posted by Eladar
    http://freebeacon.com/issues/1-5-families-u-s-no-one-works/

    Libtard utopia.
    So....no one is allowed to retire?
  4. 23 Apr '16 18:46
    Originally posted by bill718
    So....no one is allowed to retire?
    Doesn't it really amount to early retirement? The last work they do is failing English or Social Studies in 10th grade. Voila! Retirement at age 16.
  5. 23 Apr '16 18:47
    Originally posted by bill718
    So....no one is allowed to retire?
    I suppose anyone who is too discouraged to look for work could be called retired.
  6. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    24 Apr '16 12:31 / 6 edits
    Originally posted by Eladar
    I suppose anyone who is too discouraged to look for work could be called retired.
    What proportion of US households would you think could reasonably retire on age grounds, bearing in mind the demographic profile of the population? I assume not zero?

    Obviously those below reasonable retirement age who can live entirely on inherited or otherwise unearned income, including rent in all its forms and interest in all it variety, would not count in your world.

    The 19.7 percent of families in which no one was employed means they could have either been unemployed or not in the labor force (for example, married retirees).


    Additionally, in any advanced economy there is a level of unemployment reflecting changes in the market such as factory closures and the like. To a degree this is a measure of economic change taking place and a majority of those unemployed at one time can be expected to return to employment at some point. If for example a well paid engineer is made redundant, then their first port of call will not be to sign on at their local McDonald's for a zero hours low paid deal, but rather they will use their own networks to explore new opportunities, possible moving to a different town and even different state / country. In later years - certainly after fifty, well educated and experienced people who are made redundant are often locked out of decent employment opportunities and may accept effective retirement at a premature age if they have the resources.

    Unemployment is built into any functioning economy and does not indicate idleness on the part of individuals, but rather on the part of employers. Factory closures, downsizing of large organisations, slashing of public services (operated of course by paid employees) all take work out of the economy and cannot be blamed on idleness, but rather on the way the economy is managed and operated by those few people in positions of real economic power.

    The people you hate, the very poor with least prospects, are frequently working very hard indeed with minimal reward, just to get by at a lousy level of subsistence. The sick attidude which blames the poor for their own deprivation takes added edge in the USA from the excessive proportion of Black people living in poverty and dependent on the least rewarding employent opportunities.

    When you filter out of all this the small proportion of people who have lost all motivation, if they ever had any, you will have come to a bottom-of-the-barrel residue that is not necessarily larger than the proportion of the idle rich, but which costs the government and the economy vastly more. If you resent freebooters, attack the rich.
  7. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    24 Apr '16 18:18
    Originally posted by Eladar
    http://freebeacon.com/issues/1-5-families-u-s-no-one-works/

    Libtard utopia.
    Those people are probably capitalists.
  8. 24 Apr '16 19:39
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_income
  9. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    25 Apr '16 00:25
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Basic_income
    Keynesian economics was based on an economy managed to achieve full employment. The decision of the US to manage its economy in a way that ensures large scale unemployment and underemployment as well as an increasingly insecure and low paid job market for the majority of Americans means that any welfare system is doomed to be over stretched.
  10. Standard member RBHILL
    Acts 13:48
    25 Apr '16 16:33
    Originally posted by bill718
    So....no one is allowed to retire?
    200 years ago people did not retire. I am not going to retire. My dad and his dad did not retire. My dad is almost 66.
  11. 25 Apr '16 16:36 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by RBHILL
    200 years ago people did not retire.
    No, they died first.

    I am not going to retire. My dad and his dad did not retire. My dad is almost 66.
    Why, no pension plan?
  12. 25 Apr '16 17:33
    Originally posted by finnegan
    Keynesian economics was based on an economy managed to achieve full employment. The decision of the US to manage its economy in a way that ensures large scale unemployment and underemployment as well as an increasingly insecure and low paid job market for the majority of Americans means that any welfare system is doomed to be over stretched.
    And despite these complaints by Euros, unemployment rates here are nothing compared to those Euro worker's paradises.

    Over stretched?! Any system which guarantees a livable lifestyle without contributing effort, is going to be overstretched. The US system already promises enough to induce many to live without work. Increases will swell those numbers. Everyone, even those who work for the satisfaction of working, have a point where they would sacrifice their satisfaction, so long as they are taken care of.
  13. Standard member sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    25 Apr '16 18:11
    Originally posted by normbenign
    And despite these complaints by Euros, unemployment rates here are nothing compared to those Euro worker's paradises.

    Over stretched?! Any system which guarantees a livable lifestyle without contributing effort, is going to be overstretched. The US system already promises enough to induce many to live without work. Increases will swell those numbers ...[text shortened]... , have a point where they would sacrifice their satisfaction, so long as they are taken care of.
    Well here is one 74 year old still working full time and a very long commute. I am supporting all the other people, paying SS, Fed, State, Local, property and thumb tax.
  14. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    25 Apr '16 18:58
    Originally posted by normbenign
    And despite these complaints by Euros, unemployment rates here are nothing compared to those Euro worker's paradises.

    Over stretched?! Any system which guarantees a livable lifestyle without contributing effort, is going to be overstretched. The US system already promises enough to induce many to live without work. Increases will swell those numbers ...[text shortened]... , have a point where they would sacrifice their satisfaction, so long as they are taken care of.
    The Euro is not a socialist project but a very neoliberal one, in which German capitalism gets to dictate economic policies to Southern European nations with utterly different economic situations. The Euro is run for the benefit of the Germans. A lot of nincompoops thought that it would be a winning formula to adopt German financial policies. They have been shown to be wrong. Financial policies are not an adequate basis for any country to manage its economy.

    German policies work in Germany because it has an immense pool of social capital to draw on, which other countries simply lack. Those German practices, known as social market capitalism or Rhine capitalism, but which you may prefer to just label the communist work of satan, have been hugely successful, survived the terrific burden of German reunification, and certainly outperform anything the American economy has achieved. In all the troubles of the Euro as a currency, Germany continues to prosper.

    Britain never joined the Euro, not least because its predecessor (the Exchange Rate Mechanism) led to a shattering collapse under the Tories, known as Black Monday, while making George soros very rich indeed. Nor has Britain followed socialist policies since at least 1979 and the election of Thatcher. The destruction of Britain's economy in the interests of the finance sector, and its emergence as a frankly offshore tax haven to the benefit of Russian and other corrupt oligarchs from around the globe, has indeed been accompanied by levels of unemployment and underemployment that are intolerable, while the ideological drive for a "flexible labour market" with trade unions marginalised and low paid, insecure employment contracts, and the loss of affordable housing in a speculative property scam that has not ended with the 2008 crash, all combine indeed to harm the prospects for a welfare state to be self funding in the UK.
  15. 25 Apr '16 20:05
    Originally posted by RBHILL to Bill718
    200 years ago people did not retire. I am not going to retire. My dad and his dad did not retire. My dad is almost 66.
    So let's return to the utopian Golden Age of 200 years ago! (sarcasm intended)
    We would have to stop writing now, however, because the internet did not exist.