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  1. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    02 May '15 00:12 / 4 edits
    All six Baltimore police officers face criminal charges – including murder and manslaughter

    The state prosecutor said warrants had already been announced for the officers who seized 25-year-old Freddie Gray. One of the officers faces up to 30 years imprisonment if convicted.

    “It is my duty to examine the evidence and apply this to the case to decide whether an individual should be charged,” said Marilyn Mosby, the Baltimore City State’s Attorney, as cheers erupted from a gathered crowd.

    “The finding of our comprehensive, thorough and independent investigation, coupled with the medical examiner’s determination, is that Mr Gray’s death was a homicide. We have probable cause to file criminal charges.”

    Prosecutor Marilyn Mosby said she had a duty to the people of Baltimore
    She added: “Mr Gray suffered a severe and critical neck injury as a result of being handcuffed, shackled by his feet and unrestrained inside of the Baltimore Police Department wagon.”

    His death triggered peaceful protests and his funeral on Monday was followed by riots in parts of the city that saw cars and businesses set on fire and crowds of youths hurl stones and bottles at police.

    Those who had been protesting and campaigning in recent days welcomed the news and in some parts of Baltimore crowds gathered to cheer.

    “This is a great day,” said local Congressman Elijah Cummins. “Even if we are in the evening of our lives, we want to make sure that our children have a better morning.”

    The most serious charges – including one of so-called depraved heart murder – were levelled agaisnt Caesar Goodson, the Black driver of the police vehicle into which Mr Gray had been pushed. He was charged with second-degree murder, manslaughter, assault and misconduct in office.

    Lt Brian Rice was charged with manslaughter, assault, misconduct in office and false imprisonment. Officer William Porter and Sgt Alicia White were each charged with manslaughter, assault and misconduct in office.

    Meanwhile, officers Edward Nero and Garrett Miller were charged with assault, misconduct in office and false imprisonment.

    Ms Mosby said the officers had failed to strap the young man into the police wagon and had repeatedly failed to seek medical attention for him after he suffered grievous injuries. She also said that a switchblade Mr Gray was carrying was legal under local law and that police therefore had no legitimate reason to arrest him.

    The police union wrote to Ms Mosby’s office calling for the appointment of an independent probe and the Fraternal Order of Police’s local president, Gene Ryan, said the six charged officers were not responsible for Mr Gray’s death.


    I believe the strategy of the prosecutor is to offer the Black Police officers immunity or reduce the charge against them in exchange for their testimony against the White Police Officers.
  2. 02 May '15 02:39
    The medical examiner called it a homicide. If you understand that, what would you have the prosecutor do, exactly? Say everything is fine, perhaps....
  3. 02 May '15 02:41
    Originally posted by stevemcc
    The medical examiner called it a homicide. If you understand that, what would you have the prosecutor do, exactly? Say everything is fine, perhaps....
    Did the medical examiner release any information about drugs in his system?
  4. 02 May '15 02:45
    Originally posted by Eladar
    Did the medical examiner release any information about drugs in his system?
    I don't know. How would either answer to your question effect the ruling of homicide?
  5. 02 May '15 02:50
    Originally posted by stevemcc
    I don't know. How would either answer to your question effect the ruling of homicide?
    Just goes to show the politics of the situation.
  6. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    02 May '15 03:32
    Originally posted by stevemcc
    The medical examiner called it a homicide. If you understand that, what would you have the prosecutor do, exactly? Say everything is fine, perhaps....
    The prosecutor should have made sure a complete investigation is conducted before making any charges. It appears to me she is deliberately overcharging the officers in an attempt to gain political points from the side that wants a quick conviction regardless of how the death occurred.

    I understand this guy was a suspected drug dealer and had repeated arrestes and convictions and ran from the police.

    He was arrested April 12 by four officers outside a public housing complex. Police said four bicycle officers tried to stop Gray for an unspecified reason and he ran from them. They caught him and detained him while waiting for backup.

    Freddie Gray Arrest Record

    Gray had a lengthy arrest record with convictions dating back until at least 2007, according to the Maryland Department of Justice. Not all of the arrests led to convictions, in many of the cases he pleaded guilty to one charge while the others were dropped. Exact details of when he spent time in prison were not immediately available. His arrest record includes at least 18 arrests:
    •March 20, 2015: Possession of a Controlled Dangerous Substance
    •March 13, 2015: Malicious destruction of property, second-degree assault
    •January 20, 2015: Fourth-degree burglary, trespassing
    •January 14, 2015: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute
    •December 31, 2014: Possession of narcotics with intent to distribute
    •December 14, 2014: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance
    •August 31, 2014: Illegal gambling, trespassing
    •January 25, 2014: Possession of marijuana
    •September 28, 2013: Distribution of narcotics, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, second-degree assault, second-degree escape
    •April 13, 2012: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, violation of probation
    •July 16, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession with intent to distribute
    •March 28, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance
    •March 14, 2008: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to manufacture and distribute
    •February 11, 2008: Unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance, possession of a controlled dangerous substance
    •August 29, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, violation of probation
    •August 28, 2007: Possession of marijuana
    •August 23, 2007: False statement to a peace officer, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance
    •July 16, 2007: Possession of a controlled dangerous substance with intent to distribute, unlawful possession of a controlled dangerous substance (2 counts)

    Details of what led police to try to arrest Gray in April 2015 have not been made public by police. Deputy Police Commissioner Jerry Rodriguez told the Baltimore Sun that details of the arrest remain “a bit vague,” and that the officers patrolling a high-crime area with drug issues believed Gray was “immediately involved or had been recently involved in criminal activity.”

    Documents obtained by the Guardian show that he was charged with unlawful possession of a switch blade knife, which was found after he was detained. The documents are not clear about what led to the stop. No other charges are listed.

    http://heavy.com/news/2015/04/freddie-gray-arrest-record-criminal-history-rap-sheet-why-was-freddie-gray-arrested/
  7. 02 May '15 09:43
    Originally posted by stevemcc
    The medical examiner called it a homicide. If you understand that, what would you have the prosecutor do, exactly? Say everything is fine, perhaps....
    In a medical examiner’s report “homicide” just means one person did something that led to the death of someone else. It doesn’t mean the death was intentional and it doesn’t mean it was a crime.
  8. 02 May '15 09:48
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    The prosecutor should have made sure a complete investigation is conducted before making any charges.
    So, let me get this straight.
    The victim was charged, arrested and killed based solely on the fact that he ran away.
    Yet a prosecutor must make a 'thorough investigation'?
    I see nothing wrong with laying charges based on information so far. The cops remain innocent until proven guilty, so its not like there won't be a thorough investigation. That is what the trial is for.
  9. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    02 May '15 11:05
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    The prosecutor should have made sure a complete investigation is conducted before making any charges. It appears to me she is deliberately overcharging the officers in an attempt to gain political points from the side that wants a quick conviction regardless of how the death occurred.

    I understand this guy was a suspected drug dealer and had repeated a ...[text shortened]... ews/2015/04/freddie-gray-arrest-record-criminal-history-rap-sheet-why-was-freddie-gray-arrested/
    His prior record is irrelevant; the police arrest of him was illegal as the knife he was carrying was not in violation of any law.
  10. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    02 May '15 11:06
    Originally posted by RJHinds
    [quote]All six Baltimore police officers face criminal charges – including murder and manslaughter

    The state prosecutor said warrants had already been announced for the officers who seized 25-year-old Freddie Gray. One of the officers faces up to 30 years imprisonment if convicted.

    “It is my duty to examine the evidence and apply this to the case to ...[text shortened]... educe the charge against them in exchange for their testimony against the White Police Officers.
    And your belief is based on ........................................................ what? The most serious charge was filed against a black officer.
  11. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    02 May '15 13:50 / 1 edit
    The statement of probable cause is as follows:

    On April, 12 2015 between 8:45 and 9:15 a.m., near the corner of North Avenue and Mount Street. Lt. Rice of the Baltimore Police Department while on bike patrol with Officer Garrett Miller and Edward Nero made eye contact with Freddie Carlos Gray Jr.

    Having made eye contact with Mr. Gray, Mr. Gray subsequently ran from Lt. Rice. Lt. Rice then dispatched over departmental radio that he was involved in a foot pursuit at which time bike patrol officers and Nero began to pursue Mr. Gray. Having come in contact with pursuing officers, Mr. Gray surrendered to Officers Miller and Nero in the vicinity in the 1700 block of Presbury Street.

    Officer Miller and Nero then handcuffed Mr. Gray and moved him to a location a few feet away from his surrendering location Mr. Gray was then placed in a prone position with his arms handcuffed behind his back. It was at this time that Mr. Gray indicated he could not breath and requested an inhaler to no avail. Officer Miller and Nero then placed Mr. Gray in a seated position and substantially found a knife clipped to the inside of his pants pocket. The blade of the knife was folded into the handle. The knife was not a switchblade and is lawful under Maryland law. These officers then removed the knife and placed it on the sidewalk.

    Mr. Gray was then placed back down on his stomach at which time Mr. Gray began to flail his legs and scream as Officer Miller placed Mr. Gray in a restraining technique known as a leg lace. While Officer Nero physically held him down against him will while a BPD wagon arrived to transport Mr. Gray.

    Lt. Rice, Officer Miller and Officer Nero failed to establish probable cause for Mr. Gray’s arrest as no crime had been committed by Mr. Gray. Accordingly Lt. Rice Officer MIller and Office Nero illegally arrested Mr. Gray. Upon arrival of the transport wagon driven by Officer Caesar Goodson. Lt. Rice Officer Miller and Officer Nero loaded Mr. Gray into the wagon and at no point was he secured by a seatbelt while in the wagon contrary to a BPD general order. Lt. Rice then directed the BPD wagon to stop at Baker Street. At Baker Street, Lt. Rice, Officer Nero and Officer Miller removed Mr. Gray from the wagon, placed flexi-cuffs on his wrists, placed leg shackles on his ankles and completed required paperwork.

    Officer Miller, Officer Nero and Lt. Rice then loaded Mr. Gray back into the wagon, placing him on his stomach, head first onto the floor of the wagon. Once again Mr. Gray was not secured by a seatbelt in the wagon contrary to a BPD general order.

    Lt. Rice then directed Officer Goodson to transport Mr. Gray to the Central Booking & Intake Facility. Following transport from Baker Street, Mr. Gray suffered a severe and critical neck injury as a result of being handcuffed, shackled by his feet and unrestrained inside of the BPD wagon.

    From Baker Street, Officer Goodson proceeded to the vicinity of Mosher Street and Fremont Avenue where he subsequently parked the wagon and proceeded to the back of the wagon to observe Mr. Gray. Despite stopping for the purpose of checking on Mr. Gray’s condition, at no point did he seek nor did he render any medical assistance for Mr. Gray. Officer Goodson returned to his driver’s seat and proceed toward the Central Booking & Intake facility with Mr. Gray still unsecured by a seatbelt contrary to a BPD general order.

    Several blocks later, Officer Goodson called into dispatch that he needed to check on the status of his prisoner and requested additional units at Dolphin Street and Druid Hill Avenue. Officer William Porter arrived on the scene at Dolphin Street and Druid HIll Avenue. Both Officer Goodson and porter proceeded to the back of the wagon to check on the status of Mr. Gray’s condition. Mr. Gray at that time requested help and indicated that he could not breathe. Officer Porter asked Mr. Gray if he needed a medic at which time Mr. Gray indicated at least twice that he was in need of a medic. Officer Porter then physically assisted Mr. Gray from the floor of the van to the bench however despite Mr. Gray’s appeal for a medic, both officers assessed Mr. Gray’s condition and at no point did either of them restrain Mr. Gray per BPD general order nor did they render or request medical assistance.

    While discussing the transportation of Mr. Gray for medical attention, a request for additional units was made for an arrest at the 1600 West North Avenue. Officer Porter left the vicinity of Druid Hill Avenue to assist in the arrest of another prisoner at North Avenue. Despite Mr. Gray’s obvious and recognized need for medical assistance, Officer Goodson in a grossly negligent manner chose to respond to the 1600 block of West North Avenue with Mr. Gray still unsecured by a seatbelt in the wagon without rendering to or summoning medical assistance for Mr. Gray.

    Officer Goodson arrived at North Avenue to transport the individual arrested at the location of North Avenue and Pennsylvania Avenue at which time he was again met by Officer Nero, Miller and Porter. Once the wagon arrived, Officer Goodson walked to the back of the wagon and again opened the doors to the wagon to make observations of Mr. Gray.

    Sgt. Alicia White, Officer Porter and Officer Goodson observed Mr. Gray unresponsive on the floor of the wagon. Sgt. White who is responsible for investigating two citizen complaints pertaining to Mr. Gray’s illegal arrest spoke to the back of Mr. Gray’s head. When he did not respond, she did nothing further despite the fact that she was advised that he needed a medic. She made no effort to look or assess or determine his condition.

    Despite Mr. Gray’s seriously deteriorating medical condition, no medical assistance was rendered or summoned for Mr. Gray at that time by any officer.

    After completing the North Avenue arrest and loading the additional prisoner into the opposite side of the wagon containing Mr. Gray, Officer Goodson then proceeded to the Western District Station where contrary to the BPD general order, he again failed to restrain Mr. Gray in the wagon for at least the fifth time.

    At the Western District Police Station the defendant arrested at North Avenue was unloaded, escorted and secured inside of the police station prior to attending to Mr. Gray.

    By the time Officer Zachary Novak and Sgt. White attempted to remove Mr. Gray from the wagon, Mr. Gray was no longer breathing at all. A medic was finally called to the scene where upon arrival, the medic determined Mr. Gray was now in cardiac arrest and was critically and severely injured.

    Mr. Gray was rushed to the University of Maryland Shock Trauma where he underwent surgery. On April 19, 2015, Mr. Gray succumbed to his injuries and was pronounced dead. The manner of death deemed homicide by the Maryland Medical Examiner is believed to be the result of a fatal injury that occurred while Mr. Gray was unrestrained by a seatbelt in the custody of the Baltimore Police Department wagon.

    http://time.com/3843870/marilyn-mosby-transcript-freddie-gray/

    There certainly seems enough there for probable cause for all the charges though depraved indifference murder might be a stretch (it usually is but prosecutors often use it).
  12. 02 May '15 16:10
    Originally posted by FishHead111
    In a medical examiner’s report “homicide” just means one person did something that led to the death of someone else. It doesn’t mean the death was intentional and it doesn’t mean it was a crime.
    And the indictment doesn't mean the death was intentional and it doesn't mean there was a crime. It means there's enough cause to put it in front of a jury for those two things to be determined.
  13. 02 May '15 20:10
    Originally posted by stevemcc
    And the indictment doesn't mean the death was intentional and it doesn't mean there was a crime. It means there's enough cause to put it in front of a jury for those two things to be determined.
    Uh...yes, the legal indictment DOES mean that.
    Otherwise it wouldn't be there.
    Also the DA wouldn't be calling for the heads of the cops and saying she was going to bring "justice" for freddie gray's death.
  14. 02 May '15 20:24
    http://www.wsj.com/articles/baltimore-prosecutor-probable-cause-to-charge-police-in-freddie-gray-death-1430492304

    The most serious charges were brought against Officer Caesar Goodson, who was driving a police transport van that brought Mr. Gray to a police station after his April 12 arrest. Mr. Goodson, 45 years old, was charged with second-degree murder, involuntary manslaughter and other charges.

    I believe 2nd degree murder means a charge of intentionally trying to kill.
  15. 02 May '15 20:45
    People here would be really happy if they never met freddie gray