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    It's pretty long and he raises a lot of issues, too many to actually debate on (except separately).

    to those that won't watch it: i don't care that you won't watch it and want instead to let me know you won't watch it. keep it to yourself.
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    17 Nov '16 11:021 edit
    One example of an issue he speaks about:

    Most americans agree that everyone should have healthcare.
    Most americans agree education should be free.
    Most americans agree there should be a minimum wage and it should be higher than it is now.
    Most americans are pro-union.
    Most americans want at least some form of gun control.

    So how do republicans who constantly go against these issues keep winning elections?

    Sanders points out (and i am sure he is not the only one who realized it) that republicans divide people.
    They aren't going to go on campaigns saying that minimum wage should be abolished. That corporations should be allowed to pay their workers how much they want and the market will self regulate.
    They won't tell young people that it is acceptable they are crushed by student loans and that it is right that a college education costs as much as it does.

    Instead they go on campaigns and yell constantly that the immigrants are taking all the jobs.
    That muslims are trying to kill all the americans.
    That gays are a peril to the traditional american family (what the hell does that even mean)
    That "the other guy wants to TAKE away ALL your guns"

    They divide people up and that way they convince some people to vote against their interests or not vote at all. There is a reason why republicans always win when the voter turnout is low.
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    17 Nov '16 11:54
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lv7iflHYx_E

    It's pretty long and he raises a lot of issues, too many to actually debate on (except separately).

    to those that won't watch it: i don't care that you won't watch it and want instead to let me know you won't watch it. keep it to yourself.
    I'm not going to watch it.
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    17 Nov '16 13:03
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    One example of an issue he speaks about:

    Most americans agree that everyone should have healthcare.
    Most americans agree education should be free.
    Most americans agree there should be a minimum wage and it should be higher than it is now.
    Most americans are pro-union.
    Most americans want at least some form of gun control.

    So how do republicans ...[text shortened]... or not vote at all. There is a reason why republicans always win when the voter turnout is low.
    You might want to consider for a moment that either your assumptions on what the American people want is not entirely correct or that people see huge flaws in the candidates that run against the Democrats.
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    17 Nov '16 13:12
    Originally posted by quackquack
    You might want to consider for a moment that either your assumptions on what the American people want is not entirely correct or that people see huge flaws in the candidates that run against the Democrats.
    "You might want to consider for a moment that either your assumptions on what the American people want is not entirely correct "

    no i don't want to consider that since they are not assumptions, they are facts backed up over and over again by opinion polls. These are the opinions of most of americans.

    "or that people see huge flaws in the candidates that run against the Democrats"
    it doesn't imply that democrats are better which would be obvious if you had basic reading comprehension skills . It is simply an observation on how Republicans conduct business, proven by past election campaigns. Donald Trump did not say how he is going to create jobs. He just said that illegals are rapists and should be deported. He had no real plan on any of the issues but he was quick to find various groups responsible for everything wrong.
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    17 Nov '16 13:24
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    So how do republicans who constantly go against these issues keep winning elections?
    Consider this...

    http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/americans-dont-trust-their-institutions-anymore/

    Even assuming all your "facts" are facts, people don't trust our corrupt and inefficient leviathan to achieve those aims, nor should they.
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    17 Nov '16 13:26
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    One example of an issue he speaks about:

    Most americans agree that everyone should have healthcare.
    Most americans agree education should be free.
    Most americans agree there should be a minimum wage and it should be higher than it is now.
    Most americans are pro-union.
    Most americans want at least some form of gun control.

    So how do republicans ...[text shortened]... or not vote at all. There is a reason why republicans always win when the voter turnout is low.
    ===Most americans agree that everyone should have healthcare.
    Most americans agree education should be free. ===

    I would like to get everything I want for free. My housing should be free. My food should be free. I hate having to pay 5 bucks for a bagel with cream cheese and a cup of coffee. It should be free.Damn car payments! I need a car for work. It should be free. Train or airline tickets? Hmmph! What about my right to travel? Travel is a right. It should be free.
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    17 Nov '16 13:371 edit
    Originally posted by sh76
    ===Most americans agree that everyone should have healthcare.
    Most americans agree education should be free. ===

    I would like to get everything I want for free. My housing should be free. My food should be free. I hate having to pay 5 bucks for a bagel with cream cheese and a cup of coffee. It should be free.Damn car payments! I need a car for work. It sho ...[text shortened]... or airline tickets? Hmmph! What about my right to travel? Travel is a right. It should be free.
    Sounds like you need to go to a "cry in."

    http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/29856/

    🙂
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    17 Nov '16 13:44
    Originally posted by Sleepyguy
    Sounds like you need to go to a "cry in."

    http://www.thecollegefix.com/post/29856/

    🙂
    Yes, I've had more fun with the "cry-in" than any other news story I can remember.

    The Onion meets real life, truly.
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    17 Nov '16 13:45
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    "You might want to consider for a moment that either your assumptions on what the American people want is not entirely correct "

    no i don't want to consider that since they are not assumptions, they are facts backed up over and over again by opinion polls. These are the opinions of most of americans.

    "or that people see huge flaws in the candidates th ...[text shortened]... n on any of the issues but he was quick to find various groups responsible for everything wrong.
    Peoples actions in a ballot box are far more meaningful than their response to suggestive questions. Perhaps, if you were well adjusted, you'd realize not everyone sees the world the way you do. Different people prioritize differently and perhaps it's time to understand that everyone does not need to consult with you before voting.
    The statement Trump "just said illegals are rapists" is patently false. First and most importantly he never said that. Second, his supporters don't take him as literally as you do. Third, it isn't the only thing he said and to many people other things he said are more important.
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    17 Nov '16 13:48
    Originally posted by sh76
    ===Most americans agree that everyone should have healthcare.
    Most americans agree education should be free. ===

    I would like to get everything I want for free. My housing should be free. My food should be free. I hate having to pay 5 bucks for a bagel with cream cheese and a cup of coffee. It should be free.Damn car payments! I need a car for work. It sho ...[text shortened]... or airline tickets? Hmmph! What about my right to travel? Travel is a right. It should be free.
    You do realize the next President will be a Bernie type promising all this, right?

    People will buy it hook, line, and sinker.

    They never learn.
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    17 Nov '16 15:04
    Originally posted by sh76
    ===Most americans agree that everyone should have healthcare.
    Most americans agree education should be free. ===

    I would like to get everything I want for free. My housing should be free. My food should be free. I hate having to pay 5 bucks for a bagel with cream cheese and a cup of coffee. It should be free.Damn car payments! I need a car for work. It sho ...[text shortened]... or airline tickets? Hmmph! What about my right to travel? Travel is a right. It should be free.
    The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money. I hate the culture of dependency that socialism has caused here in SA.
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    17 Nov '16 15:13
    Originally posted by sh76
    ===Most americans agree that everyone should have healthcare.
    Most americans agree education should be free. ===

    I would like to get everything I want for free. My housing should be free. My food should be free. I hate having to pay 5 bucks for a bagel with cream cheese and a cup of coffee. It should be free.Damn car payments! I need a car for work. It sho ...[text shortened]... or airline tickets? Hmmph! What about my right to travel? Travel is a right. It should be free.
    "I would like to get everything I want for free"
    yes, that's the reasonable approach. either everything is free or nothing is, no middle ground. so if you obviously can't offer everything for free because we aren't in star trek, then the only other option you presented and allowed must be true, correct?


    Education allows you to succeed. To be a productive member of society. It's in everyone's interest to eliminate low income level as an impediment for good people to get ahead. Someone without crushing debt also spends more.
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    17 Nov '16 15:16
    Originally posted by Ashiitaka
    The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money. I hate the culture of dependency that socialism has caused here in SA.
    "The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money"
    The problem with using stupid cliches is that you come off as dull and stupid.


    "I hate the culture of dependency that socialism has caused here in SA"
    yes, i bet socialism is the only cause for south africa's problems if even a cause at all.
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    17 Nov '16 15:35
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    "I would like to get everything I want for free"
    yes, that's the reasonable approach. either everything is free or nothing is, no middle ground. so if you obviously can't offer everything for free because we aren't in star trek, then the only other option you presented and allowed must be true, correct?


    Education allows you to succeed. To be a product ...[text shortened]... l as an impediment for good people to get ahead. Someone without crushing debt also spends more.
    Okay, I'll bite.

    Define education. You can define it how you like, of course. But I'll give you 4 choices as a starting point.

    1) "Education" means the option of going to a public school for primary, middle and high school
    2) "Education" means the option of going to a public school for primary, middle and high school as well as public university
    3) "Education" means the government should pay for whatever schooling you like and deem appropriate, within reason
    4) "Education" means the government should pay for whatever schooling you like and deem appropriate, plus tutoring and all other educational expenses you'd like to incur

    Which one is closest and why?

    My point is that a platitude such as "education should be free" means nothing. You need something a lot more nuanced than that.
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