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  1. Zugzwang
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    12 Dec '18 05:111 edit
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/12/two-more-japanese-medical-schools-admit-discriminating-against-women

    "Juntendo University and Kitasato University, both in
    Tokyo, said this week that they had set a lower pass
    mark for men than for women in order to secure a
    sufficient number male graduates to enter the medical profession.

    “Women mature faster mentally than men, and their
    communication ability is also higher by the time they
    take the university exam,” Hiroyuki Daida, dean of
    Juntendo’s medical school, told reporters, according
    to the Asahi newspaper. “In some ways, this was a
    measure to help male applicants.”"
  2. Standard membervivify
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    12 Dec '18 05:42
    I'm pretty drunk right now. I'm not kidding.
  3. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    12 Dec '18 07:42
    Stupidity.
    Wait for the men to mature.
  4. Standard membersh76
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    12 Dec '18 14:271 edit
    @duchess64 said
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/12/two-more-japanese-medical-schools-admit-discriminating-against-women

    "Juntendo University and Kitasato University, both in
    Tokyo, said this week that they had set a lower pass
    mark for men than for women in order to secure a
    sufficient number male graduates to enter the medical profession.

    “Women mature faster menta ...[text shortened]... , according
    to the Asahi newspaper. “In some ways, this was a
    measure to help male applicants.”"
    "Juntendo University and Kitasato University, both in Tokyo, said this week that they had set a lower pass mark for men than for women in order to secure a sufficient number male graduates to enter the medical profession.
    ...

    “In some ways, this was a measure to help male applicants.”"


    Was something lost in translation here? In what ways was this NOT measure to help male applicants?
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    12 Dec '18 14:48
    @duchess64 said
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/12/two-more-japanese-medical-schools-admit-discriminating-against-women

    "Juntendo University and Kitasato University, both in
    Tokyo, said this week that they had set a lower pass
    mark for men than for women in order to secure a
    sufficient number male graduates to enter the medical profession.

    “Women mature faster menta ...[text shortened]... , according
    to the Asahi newspaper. “In some ways, this was a
    measure to help male applicants.”"
    Why are you so bigoted referring to people as men and women?
  6. Standard membervivify
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    12 Dec '18 15:111 edit
    @duchess64 said
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/12/two-more-japanese-medical-schools-admit-discriminating-against-women

    "Juntendo University and Kitasato University, both in
    Tokyo, said this week that they had set a lower pass
    mark for men than for women in order to secure a
    sufficient number male graduates to enter the medical profession.

    “Women mature faster menta ...[text shortened]... , according
    to the Asahi newspaper. “In some ways, this was a
    measure to help male applicants.”"
    If women had lower scores, no one would be helping them. Men would just shrug it off as inferiority.
  7. SubscriberAThousandYoung
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    12 Dec '18 22:11
    @vivify said
    If women had lower scores, no one would be helping them. Men would just shrug it off as inferiority.
    At least in the USA we have programs like WISE.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WISE_Campaign
  8. Zugzwang
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    @duchess64 said
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2018/dec/12/two-more-japanese-medical-schools-admit-discriminating-against-women

    "Juntendo University and Kitasato University, both in
    Tokyo, said this week that they had set a lower pass
    mark for men than for women in order to secure a
    sufficient number male graduates to enter the medical profession.

    “Women mature faster menta ...[text shortened]... , according
    to the Asahi newspaper. “In some ways, this was a
    measure to help male applicants.”"
    https://www.undispatch.com/heres-every-country-world-ranks-gender-equality/

    According to a UN report on gender equality in 2017, Japan ranks behind China
    but slightly ahead of (South) Korea.

    The top countries are:
    1) Iceland
    2) Norway
    3) Finland
    4) Rwanda
    5) Sweden
    6) Nicaragua
    7) Slovenia
    8) Ireland
    9) New Zealand
    10) Philippines
    11) France
    12) Germany
    13) Namibia
    14) Denmark
    15) UK
    16) Canada
    17) Bolivia
    18) Bulgaria
    19) South Africa (despite its high incidence of sexual violence)
    20) Latvia
    21) Switzerland (which was late in granting women the right to vote)

    The USA ranked 49th, behind most of western Europe.
    It's interesting that Germany ranked 12th and (German-speaking) Austria ranked 57th.
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    13 Dec '18 10:15
    @vivify said
    If women had lower scores, no one would be helping them. Men would just shrug it off as inferiority.
    Nonsense.

    Girls consistently have lower scores in the scientific subjects, and this is blamed on male teachers and whole, nation-wide programmes are set up to improve them.

    Boys consistently have lower scores in the humanities, and this is blamed on men being inherently less mature and wise, and the programme to improve this consists of mocking them and telling them to grow up.
  10. Standard membervivify
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    @shallow-blue said
    Nonsense.

    Girls consistently have lower scores in the scientific subjects, and this is blamed on male teachers and whole, nation-wide programmes are set up to improve them.

    Boys consistently have lower scores in the humanities, and this is blamed on men being inherently less mature and wise, and the programme to improve this consists of mocking them and telling them to grow up.
    Good point.

    But...would anyone go as far as to actually set lower standards for women? Would anyone go as far as to be basically cheat for them like the men in the OP?

    This is the point: when men fail, there's an immediate remedy. Maybe not so much in the U.S. or other western nations, but in most of the world, the odds are unfairly stacked in favor of men, even when women score better
  11. Standard membersh76
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    @vivify said
    Good point.

    But...would anyone go as far as to actually set lower standards for women? Would anyone go as far as to be basically cheat for them like the men in the OP?

    This is the point: when men fail, there's an immediate remedy. Maybe not so much in the U.S. or other western nations, but in most of the world, the odds are unfairly stacked in favor of men, even when women score better
    Affirmative action programs benefitting women-owned businesses are legion.

    http://abovethecanopy.us/woman-owned-business-tax-benefits/

    https://www.ellevatenetwork.com/articles/6492-how-being-a-certified-woman-owned-business-can-help-grow-your-company

    https://www.bizfilings.com/toolkit/research-topics/business-resources-for-women/information-on-women-owned-business-opportunities-assistance

    https://www.bustle.com/p/who-does-affirmative-action-benefit-white-women-are-some-of-its-biggest-opponents-74034

    You really couldn't be more wrong here. Examples of programs benefiting women specifically outnumber those benefiting men specifically, probably on the order of 1,000 to 1.
  12. Standard membervivify
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    13 Dec '18 14:17
    @sh76 said
    You really couldn't be more wrong here. Examples of programs benefiting women specifically outnumber those benefiting men specifically, probably on the order of 1,000 to 1.
    You completely misread my post.

    I didn't ask if programs benefiting women exist. I asked how many institutions would actively lower test score standards for women. Moreover, how many Japanese institutions would lower test score requirements for women, like they did for men?
  13. Standard membersh76
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    13 Dec '18 17:35
    @vivify said
    You completely misread my post.

    I didn't ask if programs benefiting women exist. I asked how many institutions would actively lower test score standards for women. Moreover, how many Japanese institutions would lower test score requirements for women, like they did for men?
    Distinguishing between lowering test scores and giving preferences for admission and business contracts is a distinction without a difference.
  14. Standard membervivify
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    @sh76 said
    Distinguishing between lowering test scores and giving preferences for admission and business contracts is a distinction without a difference.
    Not at all. One is a matter of enabling people with clearly inferior qualifications, while the other is simply an act of undoing inequality in the workplace caused by sexism. Apples/oranges.

    Given that men already have major advantages over women, lowering requirements for men may also be an ethical issue.
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    @shallow-blue said
    Nonsense.

    Girls consistently have lower scores in the scientific subjects, and this is blamed on male teachers and whole, nation-wide programmes are set up to improve them.

    Boys consistently have lower scores in the humanities, and this is blamed on men being inherently less mature and wise, and the programme to improve this consists of mocking them and telling them to grow up.
    "Boys consistently have lower scores in the humanities, girls consistently have lower scores in the scientific subjects". Is this, maybe, due to Venus and Mars? 🤔
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