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  1. Standard memberlemon lime
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    09 Jan '17 21:321 edit
    Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
    You took us through that tortuous nonsensical journey just so that you could turn around and make a false accusation as defense against the proposition that checkbaiter and those like him are "so unlike Christ"?

    I imagine that if you or Freaky could have made a direct and rational defense, you would have. But you didn't. Because evidently you can't. It is what it is.
    This entire thread is what it is. D64 referenced a column written by a clueless liberal, and Checkbaiter called it a disgusting commentary. And he's right, because it stands in stark contrast to a developmentally disabled white male who was held against his will and tormented for one or two days by anti-Trump liberals.

    Hate speech and hate crimes are related because hate speech provides the motivation for commiting hate crimes. But the story of what happened in Chicago is apparently the elephant in the room no one here wants to talk about. Liberals don't want to talk about it because it exposes the lie of their 'right wing hate' narrative. And right wingers don't want to talk about it because it's a disgusting reminder of how the left doesn't seem to have a problem with hate speech just so long as it's directed at Trump and his supporters.

    Liberals either don't understand how hate speech can lead to actual hate crimes, or they do and actually approve of those crimes if it happens to the people they hate. And by the way, in Illinois attacking a developmentally disabled person is defined as a "hate crime."
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    09 Jan '17 21:46
    Originally posted by lemon lime
    This entire thread is what it is. D64 referenced a column written by a clueless liberal, and Checkbaiter called it a disgusting commentary. And he's right, because it stands in stark contrast to a developmentally disabled white male who was held against his will and tormented for one or two days by anti-Trump liberals.

    Hate speech and hate crimes are r ...[text shortened]... y the way, in Illinois attacking a developmentally disabled person is defined as a "hate crime."
    You took us through that tortuous nonsensical journey just so that you could turn around and make a false accusation as defense against the proposition that checkbaiter and those like him are "so unlike Christ"?

    Wouldn't it have been simpler for you or Freaky to have shown how the views espoused by checkbaiter are in fact consistent with the views espoused by Jesus regarding such things as compassion, mercy, forgiveness, caring for the less fortunate, unselfishness, loving your neighbor, condemnation, etc. by posting the words that Jesus spoke while He walked the Earth that you believe support that proposition?

    I imagine that if you or Freaky could have made a direct and rational defense, you would have. But you didn't. Because evidently you can't. It is what it is.
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    09 Jan '17 23:05
    Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
    You took us through that tortuous nonsensical journey just so that you could turn around and make a false accusation as defense against the proposition that checkbaiter and those like him are "so unlike Christ"?

    Wouldn't it have been simpler for you or Freaky to have shown how the views espoused by checkbaiter are in fact consistent with the views esp ...[text shortened]... rational defense, you would have. But you didn't. Because evidently you can't. It is what it is.
    Your straw man 'Jesus' apparently has no regard for unpleasant truths. You've reduced who he really is to something that more resembles Barney the Dinosaur than it does the real Yeshua.
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    09 Jan '17 23:161 edit
    Originally posted by lemon lime
    Your straw man 'Jesus' apparently has no regard for unpleasant truths. You've reduced who he really is to something that more resembles Barney the Dinosaur than it does the real Yeshua.
    Wouldn't it have been simpler for you or Freaky to have shown how the views espoused by checkbaiter are in fact consistent with the views espoused by Jesus regarding such things as compassion, mercy, forgiveness, caring for the less fortunate, unselfishness, loving your neighbor, condemnation, etc. by posting the words that Jesus spoke while He walked the Earth that you believe support that proposition?

    I imagine that if you or Freaky could have made a direct and rational defense, you would have. But you didn't. Because evidently you can't. It is what it is.
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    10 Jan '17 00:04
    Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
    Earlier I cited examples from this very thread of how you pick and choose from various parts of the Bible that which you believe support your personal views and use them, as well as your personal feelings, to supersede the views espoused by Jesus regarding such things as compassion, mercy, forgiveness, caring for the less fortunate, unselfishness, loving your neighbor, condemnation, etc.

    You can deny it all you want. It is what it is.
    Can you tell me why Jesus said this....?
    “If you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one” (Luke 22:36),
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    10 Jan '17 10:39
    Originally posted by checkbaiter
    The bible describes you as "the baser sorts"...go learn what it means.
    You are not an honest thinker. That was the charge. You have no defense? Noted that you don't deny the charge.
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    10 Jan '17 13:58
    Originally posted by checkbaiter
    Can you tell me why Jesus said this....?
    “If you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one” (Luke 22:36),
    The fishing nets were ruined in a storm, and Peter wanted to know how to catch supper.
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    10 Jan '17 14:05
    Originally posted by shavixmir
    The fishing nets were ruined in a storm, and Peter wanted to know how to catch supper.
    You fish with a sword?
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    10 Jan '17 16:21
    Originally posted by checkbaiter
    You fish with a sword?
    One fishes with the tools one has.
    Swords, spears, dynamite.

    Think out of the box.
    Jesus did.
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    10 Jan '17 18:033 edits
    Originally posted by checkbaiter
    Can you tell me why Jesus said this....?
    “If you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one” (Luke 22:36),
    Thus far you've provided examples of how you supersede the views of Jesus - first with your personal views and then with proverbs.

    But on with this. Jesus does not say what he had in mind when he told them this, so all anyone can do is speculate.

    That said, evidently Jesus did not intend for anyone to be harmed. Shortly after He said that, when one of those who was with Jesus at the time of His arrest took it upon himself to harm another, Jesus rebuked him as follows:
    Matthew 26
    51And behold, one of those who were with Jesus reached and drew out his sword, and struck the slave of the high priest and cut off his ear. 52Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place; for all those who take up the sword shall perish by the sword.


    Not only that, Jesus even went so far as to reverse the harm that was done:
    Luke 22
    51But Jesus answered and said, “Stop! No more of this.” And He touched his ear and healed him.


    The meaning of the word translated as "sword" should also be considered:
    máchaira
    Outline of Biblical Usage:
    I.a large knife, used for killing animals and cutting up flesh
    II.a small sword, as distinguished from a large sword
    A.curved sword, for a cutting stroke
    B.a straight sword, for thrusting

    Strong’s Definitions
    máchaira, makh'-ahee-rah; probably feminine of a presumed derivative of G3163; a knife, i.e. dirk; figuratively, war, judicial punishment:—sword.

    https://www.blueletterbible.org/lang/lexicon/lexicon.cfm?t=kjv&strongs=g3162


    Why do you think Jesus said that? What is your point?
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    10 Jan '17 18:46
    Originally posted by ThinkOfOne
    Thus far you've provided examples of how you supersede the views of Jesus - first with your personal views and then with proverbs.

    But on with this. Jesus does not say what he had in mind when he told them this, so all anyone can do is speculate.

    That said, evidently Jesus did not intend for anyone to be harmed. Shortly after He said that, when one ...[text shortened]... lexicon.cfm?t=kjv&strongs=g3162[/quote]

    Why do you think Jesus said that? What is your point?
    Thus far you've provided examples of how you supersede the views of Jesus - first with your personal views and then with proverbs.
    There is no supercede anything, it says what it says...deal with it.

    But on with this. Jesus does not say what he had in mind when he told them this, so all anyone can do is speculate
    Defense should be obvious to the normal person...

    That said, evidently Jesus did not intend for anyone to be harmed. Shortly after He said that, when one of those who was with Jesus at the time of His arrest took it upon himself to harm another, Jesus rebuked him as follows:

    Jesus was going to be arrested and his concern was for his disciples. Had he allowed that to happen, Peter would have been arrested as well. He then healed Marcus to kill two birds with one stone, so to speak. Peter was not arrested and Marcus ? Who knows? I wonder what Marcus thought that night as his head hit the pillow?

    Why do you think Jesus said that? What is your point?

    Jesus would never tell his followers to buy swords and then say it was wrong to use them. Why did Jesus make that statement to Peter? The answer is that although the priests and soldiers who arrested Jesus were immoral, what they did was not illegal, because they had the governmental right to arrest Jesus. Thus, Peter, although he thought he was doing the right thing in defending Jesus with his sword, was actually breaking the law. Had Jesus’ trial been fair and unbiased, he would have been released soon after his arrest. Many innocent people are falsely accused, arrested and jailed, but then released at trial. By using his sword, Peter was breaking the law, and neither God nor Jesus give us the right to do that.
    So it should be obvious that Jesus tells us to buy swords, guns or what ever weapon one prefers for self defense, to protect their families, etc.
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    13 Jan '17 23:012 edits
    Originally posted by checkbaiter
    [b]Thus far you've provided examples of how you supersede the views of Jesus - first with your personal views and then with proverbs.
    There is no supercede anything, it says what it says...deal with it.

    But on with this. Jesus does not say what he had in mind when he told them this, so all anyone can do is speculate
    Defense should be obvi ...[text shortened]... y swords, guns or what ever weapon one prefers for self defense, to protect their families, etc.[/b]
    What a surprise. You've once again projected your views onto the words of Jesus.

    The facts are as follows:

    1) Jesus did not explain what He had in mind when He told them to buy a "sword"

    2) The word translated as "sword" can mean "a large knife, used for killing animals and cutting up flesh". Clearly it wasn't used exclusively as a weapon.

    3) Jesus rebuked His companion when he attempted to come to the DEFENSE of Jesus at the time of His arrest. Clearly Jesus did not mean for the "sword" to be used in His DEFENSE.

    4) Jesus said the following in His rebuke: "“Put your sword back into its place; for all those who take up the sword shall perish by the sword." Clearly Jesus did not want the "sword" to be used against another.

    Despite all of the above, you drew the conclusion that Jesus could have ONLY meant for the "sword" to be used for DEFENSE.

    Your conclusion rests upon your personal view that "Defense should be obvious to the normal person...".

    You've once again shown that you really don't care about what Jesus said or didn't say.

    You've once again projected your personal views on the words of Jesus.

    You can deny it all you want, but it is what it is.
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