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  1. Subscriber kmax87
    You've got Kevin
    20 Jan '17 22:40
    Trump gave a rousing speech to the people. His theme of the government being given back to the people interlaced with all his stump speech greatest hits, encapsulated in two words America First, will probably not play well internationally.

    Do Americans think this unabashed almost brutal one-note symphony, 'America First', will be in American's best self interest in the long run?

    Can Trump live up to his pledge?
  2. Subscriber kmax87
    You've got Kevin
    20 Jan '17 23:04
    Originally posted by kmax87
    Trump gave a rousing speech to the people. His theme of the government being given back to the people interlaced with all his stump speech greatest hits, encapsulated in two words America First, will probably not play well internationally.

    Do Americans think this unabashed almost brutal one-note symphony, 'America First', will be in American's best self interest in the long run?

    Can Trump live up to his pledge?
    Can Trump survive the broadsides he delivered against the establishment in the opening bars of his inaugural speech? His blast at the Washington elite profiteering at the expense of the rest of the country sets himself up to have his affairs under a microscope for the next 4-8 years. His speech echoed his electioneering populism. It seems rather than pivot to the middle, DJT has doubled down on all his election promises, and proposes an adversarial style of international politics for the foreseeable future. Can Trump maintain his rage on this issue, or is globalization too well established for him to do anything about it?
  3. Subscriber mchill
    cryptogram
    20 Jan '17 23:05
    Originally posted by kmax87
    Trump gave a rousing speech to the people. His theme of the government being given back to the people interlaced with all his stump speech greatest hits, encapsulated in two words America First, will probably not play well internationally.

    Do Americans think this unabashed almost brutal one-note symphony, 'America First', will be in American's best self interest in the long run?

    Can Trump live up to his pledge?
    A. Do Americans think this unabashed almost brutal one-note symphony, 'America First', will be in American's best self interest in the long run?

    B. Can Trump live up to his pledge?[/b]


    Answers:

    A: No

    B: No

    But it was a nice speech.
  4. Subscriber Suzianne
    Misfit Queen
    21 Jan '17 01:54 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by mchill
    A. Do Americans think this unabashed almost brutal one-note symphony, 'America First', will be in American's best self interest in the long run?

    B. Can Trump live up to his pledge?



    Answers:

    A: No

    B: No

    But it was a nice speech. [/b]
    Horrible speech! He's horrible... SO overrated! Sad!
  5. 21 Jan '17 02:37
    Originally posted by kmax87
    Can Trump survive the broadsides he delivered against the establishment in the opening bars of his inaugural speech? His blast at the Washington elite profiteering at the expense of the rest of the country sets himself up to have his affairs under a microscope for the next 4-8 years. His speech echoed his electioneering populism. It seems rather than pivot t ...[text shortened]... is rage on this issue, or is globalization too well established for him to do anything about it?
    We'll find out on tonight's episode of Soap.
  6. Standard member wolfgang59
    Infidel
    21 Jan '17 04:11
    "America First" - A strategy for idiots who think Life is a zero-sum game.
  7. Subscriber kmax87
    You've got Kevin
    21 Jan '17 04:23
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    Horrible speech! He's horrible... SO overrated! Sad!
    Seth Myers does a better Trump than Trump these days!
  8. Subscriber Suzianne
    Misfit Queen
    21 Jan '17 04:29
    Originally posted by kmax87
    Seth Myers does a better Trump than Trump these days!
    I didn't like Seth Meyers when he started, but he's growing on me.
  9. Standard member DeepThought
    Losing the Thread
    21 Jan '17 05:28
    Originally posted by kmax87
    Trump gave a rousing speech to the people. His theme of the government being given back to the people interlaced with all his stump speech greatest hits, encapsulated in two words America First, will probably not play well internationally.

    Do Americans think this unabashed almost brutal one-note symphony, 'America First', will be in American's best self interest in the long run?

    Can Trump live up to his pledge?
    Regarding "America First", since he also said:
    We will seek friendship and goodwill with the nations of the world - but we do so with the understanding that it is the right of all nations to put their own interests first.

    We do not seek to impose our way of life on anyone, but rather to let it shine as an example - we will shine - for everyone to follow.
    I don't think that there will be much international concern over "putting America First". It seems to be a statement that as US President he will act in the interests of the US, what's not clear is how that is different from other US Presidents. I emphasised the bit about other nations putting their own interests first and included the sentence containing "not imposing our way of life" because that does distinguish him from the neo-conservatives who want to turn the rest of the World into clones of the US. Distancing himself from that policy will be welcomed internationally.

    As far as concrete promises go, he's said he'll repatriate jobs, he didn't mention any walls, he would increase military spending - as if the US military wasn't big enough already - but that will create jobs, and start a war on radical Islam. So, other than repatriating jobs he hasn't promised anything new.
  10. Subscriber kmax87
    You've got Kevin
    21 Jan '17 13:06
    Originally posted by DeepThought
    ....since he also said:
    We will seek friendship and goodwill with the nations of the world - but we do so with the understanding that it is the right of all nations to put their own interests first.We do not seek to impose our way of life on anyone, but rather to let it shine as an example - we will shine - for everyone to follow.
    I don't think that there will be much international concern over "putting America First". .
    My take on POTUS 45's statement, is more, hey guys, we're not even going to wine and dine you anymore. Don't expect flowers. Loyalty or long term allied friendship, pffftttt!. The honeymoon is over baby its never going to be the same again. Every man for themselves! Looking out for No1! Ciao!
  11. Subscriber kmax87
    You've got Kevin
    21 Jan '17 13:10
    Originally posted by DeepThought
    .... he would increase military spending - as if the US military wasn't big enough already - but that will create jobs, and start a war on radical Islam......
    We know he is insecure, small fingers and all, but really, when you outspend the rest of the world combined and you still think you are not spending enough militarily, then America, you have a problem!
  12. Standard member DeepThought
    Losing the Thread
    21 Jan '17 14:30
    Originally posted by kmax87
    My take on POTUS 45's statement, is more, hey guys, we're not even going to wine and dine you anymore. Don't expect flowers. Loyalty or long term allied friendship, pffftttt!. The honeymoon is over baby its never going to be the same again. Every man for themselves! Looking out for No1! Ciao!
    Well the big worry is to what extent he identifies Islam as "the other". If he means Islamist insurgents then, once again, what's new? If he intends to make or drifts into making all muslims the enemy then there's a problem.

    It's also worth noting that he has said of NATO: "The other NATO countries should pay their way.", as well as: "I love NATO", and: "NATO is obselete."; so which is it? What I'm getting at is that he is inconsistent in his statements so it's not clear how seriously to take his inauguration speech. It might be that what he said is what he attempts to achieve and it might be that it's just a collection of words.
  13. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    21 Jan '17 14:35
    Originally posted by DeepThought
    Well the big worry is to what extent he identifies Islam as "the other". If he means Islamist insurgents then, once again, what's new? If he intends to make or drifts into making all muslims the enemy then there's a problem.

    It's also worth noting that he has said of NATO: "The other NATO countries should pay their way.", as well as: "I love NATO", ...[text shortened]... hat he said is what he attempts to achieve and it might be that it's just a collection of words.
    We've been instructed to take Trump's words "seriously" but not "literally".

    Hope that helps.
  14. 21 Jan '17 14:36
    Originally posted by kmax87
    Trump gave a rousing speech to the people. His theme of the government being given back to the people interlaced with all his stump speech greatest hits, encapsulated in two words America First, will probably not play well internationally.

    Do Americans think this unabashed almost brutal one-note symphony, 'America First', will be in American's best self interest in the long run?

    Can Trump live up to his pledge?
    Has there ever been a President who didn't put "America first"?

    It's all empty rhetoric.
  15. Standard member DeepThought
    Losing the Thread
    21 Jan '17 14:59
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    We've been instructed to take Trump's words "seriously" but not "literally".

    Hope that helps.
    Possibly future discussions regarding US politics should take place in the Spirituality forum, because that reminds me of the Bible somehow.