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  1. Subscriber kmax87
    You've got Kevin
    01 Mar '17 00:49 / 1 edit
    A rallying cry that rejuvenates America to make it truly great, or a selfish retreat that is anathema to everything that ever made America great and signals the death knell, the beginning of the slow decline into irrelevance and decrepitude.
  2. 01 Mar '17 00:57
    Originally posted by kmax87
    A rallying cry that rejuvenates America to make it truly great, or a selfish retreat that is anathema to everything that ever made America great and signals the death knell, the beginning of the slow decline into irrelevance and decrepitude.
    America über alles!
  3. Subscriber kmax87
    You've got Kevin
    02 Mar '17 10:33
    Originally posted by JS357
    America über alles!
    The Germans will sue for copyright infringement.

    Is the call for economic nationalism too much of an echo of national socialism, given that Trumps highways like Eisenhower program, sounds awfully like one of their signature programs, the Autobahns.
  4. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    02 Mar '17 10:39
    Originally posted by kmax87
    The Germans will sue for copyright infringement.

    Is the call for economic nationalism too much of an echo of national socialism, given that Trumps highways like Eisenhower program, sounds awfully like one of their signature programs, the Autobahns.
    Don't know but looks like the UK will get to be the first trial run for the unbalanced, America First trade agreements Trump wants in place of the multilateral ones he despises. The Heritage Foundation has the UK government nicely stitched up for this role. How sweet to see Trump lead that nice "centrist" May by the hand to the scaffold.
  5. 02 Mar '17 10:58
    Originally posted by kmax87
    A rallying cry that rejuvenates America to make it truly great, or a selfish retreat that is anathema to everything that ever made America great and signals the death knell, the beginning of the slow decline into irrelevance and decrepitude.
    The US has been on the decline for a while now. Obama did much to destroy the US. I doubt Trump can fix it.
  6. Subscriber kmax87
    You've got Kevin
    02 Mar '17 11:55
    Originally posted by Eladar
    The US has been on the decline for a while now. Obama did much to destroy the US. I doubt Trump can fix it.
    Given that he arrested America at the brink of financial Armageddon and that 8 years on in terms of inflation and job numbers and general economic capacity, how exactly did "Mr 3 term Kenyan Hitler, I will take your guns and reeducate you in a FEMA camp Barry Soetero communist alien antichrist" do that again?
  7. Subscriber FreakyKBH
    Acquired Taste...
    02 Mar '17 12:05
    Originally posted by kmax87
    Given that he arrested America at the brink of financial Armageddon and that 8 years on in terms of inflation and job numbers and general economic capacity, how exactly did "Mr 3 term Kenyan Hitler, I will take your guns and reeducate you in a FEMA camp Barry Soetero communist alien antichrist" do that again?
    You forgot "crack-smoking homosexual."

    Baby steps.
    They don't boil frogs straight away: they gradually increase the heat.

    How'd the national debt fare eight years on?
  8. Subscriber kmax87
    You've got Kevin
    02 Mar '17 12:16
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    .......How'd the national debt fare eight years on?
    Who cares when you have a fiat currency, you are the world's reserve currency, oil can only be sold in your currency, and you have unrivalled military might?

    The biggest joke of Trump's agenda, is that under his leadership, America will seek to put itself first.
  9. Subscriber kmax87
    You've got Kevin
    02 Mar '17 12:47
    Originally posted by finnegan
    Don't know but looks like the UK will get to be the first trial run for the unbalanced, America First trade agreements Trump wants in place of the multilateral ones he despises. The Heritage Foundation has the UK government nicely stitched up for this role. How sweet to see Trump lead that nice "centrist" May by the hand to the scaffold.
    Just read through "Next Steps in the 'Special Relationship': Impact of a US - UK Free Trade Agreement" which was testimony given to congress on Feb 1 this year, it seems there's a lot of salivating on both sides given the level of DFI each side has with the other and given the size each nation employs of the other.

    The scope of opportunity presented to both sides looks very attractive and the high moral ground of a rejuvenated NATO with Britain freed from the noose of inward EU policies to a much more outward expansionist partnership of equals that will keep Russia and other nasties in check, seems too glorious to reject.

    One only hopes that when the rubber hits the road the Brits are not kicked to the kerb like yesterday's fish wrap, as Australia found itself to be, which was all the more humiliating for all the loyalty shown the US by Australia in following her blindly into all their foreign policy blundering post WW2.
  10. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    02 Mar '17 13:11
    Originally posted by kmax87
    Just read through "Next Steps in the 'Special Relationship': Impact of a US - UK Free Trade Agreement" which was testimony given to congress on Feb 1 this year, it seems there's a lot of salivating on both sides given the level of DFI each side has with the other and given the size each nation employs of the other.

    The scope of opportunity presented to bo ...[text shortened]... the US by Australia in following her blindly into all their foreign policy blundering post WW2.
    Partnership of equals?????????????????????????

    You have heard of sales talk I imagine. You have heard of spin. You have heard of PR.

    What did you learn at school? Were you even listening?


    The Spider And The Fly - Poem by Mary Botham Howitt

    Will you walk into my parlour?' said the Spider to the Fly,
    'Tis the prettiest little parlour that ever you did spy;
    The way into my parlour is up a winding stair,
    And I've a many curious things to show when you are there.'
    Oh no, no,' said the little Fly, 'to ask me is in vain,
    For who goes up your winding stair can ne'er come down again.'

    'I'm sure you must be weary, dear, with soaring up so high;
    Will you rest upon my little bed?' said the Spider to the Fly.
    'There are pretty curtains drawn around; the sheets are fine and thin,
    And if you like to rest awhile, I'll snugly tuck you in!'
    Oh no, no,' said the little Fly, 'for I've often heard it said,
    They never, never wake again, who sleep upon your bed!'

    Said the cunning Spider to the Fly, ' Dear friend what can I do,
    To prove the warm affection I 've always felt for you?
    I have within my pantry, good store of all that's nice;
    I'm sure you're very welcome - will you please to take a slice?'
    'Oh no, no,' said the little Fly, 'kind Sir, that cannot be,
    I've heard what's in your pantry, and I do not wish to see!'

    'Sweet creature!' said the Spider, 'you're witty and you're wise,
    How handsome are your gauzy wings, how brilliant are your eyes!
    I've a little looking-glass upon my parlour shelf,
    If you'll step in one moment, dear, you shall behold yourself.'
    'I thank you, gentle sir,' she said, 'for what you 're pleased to say,
    And bidding you good morning now, I'll call another day.'

    The Spider turned him round about, and went into his den,
    For well he knew the silly Fly would soon come back again:
    So he wove a subtle web, in a little corner sly,
    And set his table ready, to dine upon the Fly.
    Then he came out to his door again, and merrily did sing,
    'Come hither, hither, pretty Fly, with the pearl and silver wing;
    Your robes are green and purple - there's a crest upon your head;
    Your eyes are like the diamond bright, but mine are dull as lead!'

    Alas, alas! how very soon this silly little Fly,
    Hearing his wily, flattering words, came slowly flitting by;
    With buzzing wings she hung aloft, then near and nearer drew,
    Thinking only of her brilliant eyes, and green and purple hue -
    Thinking only of her crested head - poor foolish thing! At last,
    Up jumped the cunning Spider, and fiercely held her fast.
    He dragged her up his winding stair, into his dismal den,
    Within his little parlour - but she ne'er came out again!

    And now dear little children, who may this story read,
    To idle, silly flattering words, I pray you ne'er give heed:
    Unto an evil counsellor, close heart and ear and eye,
    And take a lesson from this tale, of the Spider and the Fly.


    Mary Botham Howitt

    https://www.poemhunter.com/poem/the-spider-and-the-fly-2/
  11. Subscriber kmax87
    You've got Kevin
    02 Mar '17 13:48 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by finnegan
    Partnership of equals?????????????????????????.......You have heard of sales talk I imagine. You have heard of spin. You have heard of PR. ...What did you learn at school? Were you even listening? .....The Spider And The Fly - Poem by Mary Botham Howitt.....
    I tend voice my incredulity at the proposals made by the deluded, playing a straight bat. That the flaws of the arguments and ways of thinking are exposed for the tripe they are, by being represented in this manner, is the calculated intention.

    One can only hope that there always will remain those whose love for their fellow man compel them to resolute conviction, to never assimilate popular thinking and 'bend with the remover to remove' but steadfastly 'look on tempests and are never shaken'

    And, yes, you're welcome to share your love of poetry anytime.
  12. Subscriber kmax87
    You've got Kevin
    02 Mar '17 14:03
    Origin of reply by kmax87 to Finnegan
    Just read through "Next Steps in the 'Special Relationship': Impact of a US - UK Free Trade Agreement"....
    FYI this was the article I dryly paraphrased without direct attribution in my response to you. I did not link the URL because it looked generic, but google the italicised heading and you should find it.
  13. 02 Mar '17 17:21
    Originally posted by kmax87
    Given that he arrested America at the brink of financial Armageddon and that 8 years on in terms of inflation and job numbers and general economic capacity, how exactly did "Mr 3 term Kenyan Hitler, I will take your guns and reeducate you in a FEMA camp Barry Soetero communist alien antichrist" do that again?
    You have a crystal ball to know how the US economy would have done if Obama was not elected?

    Great countries are destroyed from within. Like it or not, the US is one of those countries. It will fall from within.

    Obama did much to increase the rate at which the US will fall.
  14. 02 Mar '17 17:29
    Originally posted by Eladar
    The US has been on the decline for a while now. Obama did much to destroy the US. I doubt Trump can fix it.
    What would you say are the Obama administration's three largest contributions to "destroying" the U.S.?
  15. 02 Mar '17 17:38 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    What would you say are the Obama administration's three largest contributions to "destroying" the U.S.?
    Mostly social stuff.

    Forcing everyone to buy health insurance as well as funding abortion.

    Forcing schools to allow boys into girls bathrooms

    Importing great numbers of Muslims to destabilize the nation.

    I know you will disagree, but no surprise there. Just answering your question. Btw, not largest just ones that came to mind. Not going to bother trying to find out everything he has done.