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  1. 13 May '10 16:55
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20100501/cm_thenation/15557172

    Arizona Bans Ethnic Studies

    The Nation The Nation – Sat May 1, 11:20 am ET

    The Nation -- The Arizona legislature has passed a bill that will end ethnic studies classes in the state, according to the state's top education official.

    The bill bans classes that "promote resentment toward a race or class of people," "are designed primarily for pupils of a particular ethnic group," or "advocate ethnic solidarity instead of treating pupils as individuals."

    Also prohibited: all those classes that "promote the overthrow of the U.S. government."

    The author of the bill, Tom Horne, the state superintendent of public instruction, is running for the Republican nomination for state attorney general. He told local media that his target is the Mexican-American studies curriculum in Tucson public schools. The bill however applies to all public and charter schools from kidergarten through 12th grade.

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  2. 13 May '10 16:58
    AZ to L.A.: <deleted> <deleted>
  3. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    13 May '10 17:02
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/thenation/20100501/cm_thenation/15557172

    Arizona Bans Ethnic Studies

    The Nation The Nation – Sat May 1, 11:20 am ET

    The Nation -- The Arizona legislature has passed a bill that will end ethnic studies classes in the state, according to the state's top education official.

    The bill bans classes that "promote resentment ...[text shortened]... applies to all public and charter schools from kidergarten through 12th grade.

    ...
    I can't find the text. As described, it sounds too vague to mean anything substantial.
  4. 13 May '10 17:17
    there goes bilingual education!
  5. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    13 May '10 17:21 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    there goes bilingual education!
    And the culture war between the British-Americans and the Spanish-Americans continues...

    As a teacher, I will point out that this is one of the methods The White Man keeps the People of Color Down. He uses language to control the populace and keep them ignorant. English Only denies students the ability to learn anything but English, making them unemployable even after they graduate.
  6. 13 May '10 17:23
    you don't see this wishwashy stuff going on in mexico. they know how to keep their immigrant population in line!
  7. 13 May '10 17:25
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    And the culture war between the British-Americans and the Spanish-Americans continues...

    As a teacher, I will point out that this is one of the methods The White Man keeps the People of Color Down. He uses language to control the populace and keep them ignorant. English Only denies students the ability to learn anything but English, making them unemployable even after they graduate.
    that's odd, i have met so many vietnamese and chinese engineers who didn't have bilingual ed. and who are eminently employable.
  8. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    13 May '10 17:26
    Originally posted by sh76
    I can't find the text. As described, it sounds too vague to mean anything substantial.
    The bill bans classes that "promote resentment toward a race or class of people," "are designed primarily for pupils of a particular ethnic group," or "advocate ethnic solidarity instead of treating pupils as individuals."

    That means no discussion of how indiginous Americans, Africans and Mexicans were horribly abused in past generations and their wealth stolen at gunpoint. It's like how the Libertarians see things; let's just sweep all the past crimes under the rug now that we have the rewards of the crime...
  9. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    13 May '10 17:26 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    Also prohibited [by the bill proposed by a Republican standing for election]: all those classes that "promote the overthrow of the U.S. government."
    whodey will probably be citing the lack of outrage among "left wingers" at these classes in Arizona that "promote the overthrow of the U.S. government" for weeks to come. And if "left wingers" do condemn these non-existent classes, he'll probably say why are you condemning these classes when there's a genocide going on in Sudan...?
  10. 13 May '10 17:27
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    The bill bans classes that "promote resentment toward a race or class of people," "are designed primarily for pupils of a particular ethnic group," or "advocate ethnic solidarity instead of treating pupils as individuals."

    That means no discussion of how indiginous Americans, Africans and Mexicans were horribly abused in past generations an ...[text shortened]... ust sweep all the past crimes under the rug now that we have the rewards of the crime...
    stolen at gunpoint by the Spanish.
  11. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    13 May '10 17:30
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    that's odd, i have met so many vietnamese and chinese engineers who didn't have bilingual ed. and who are eminently employable.
    Did they study in English only from Kindergarten? Are they natives of the USA or immigrants?

    I work for some upper class Latinos. Lawyer and dentist. Both immigrants, one from Mexico, one from El Salvador. They have similar political beliefs as you seem to have. They are opposed to bilingual education. "We did it...everyone can do it!"

    They went to high school in Latin America. They learned in Spanish as children and teens. However they want immigrants to learn in English as children and teens. They don't understand that their experience is not the same as of a non English speaker forced to learn in English. I suspect it's similar with your engineers.
  12. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    It's only business
    13 May '10 17:31
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    stolen at gunpoint by the Spanish.
    Are you claiming the USA did not steal from those populations at gunpoint?
  13. Subscriber FMF
    a.k.a. John W Booth
    13 May '10 17:31
    Originally posted by zeeblebot
    stolen at gunpoint by the Spanish.
    You do insist on discussing it, don't you? People might start calling you Un-Arizonan.
  14. 13 May '10 17:33
    Originally posted by AThousandYoung
    Are you claiming the USA did not steal from those populations at gunpoint?
    the Aztecs and Incas were much more advanced than the plains tribes. they even had cities!
  15. 13 May '10 17:33
    Originally posted by FMF
    You do insist on discussing it, don't you? People might start calling you Un-Arizonan.