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    07 Mar '18 14:52
    https://www.myajc.com/blog/get-schooled/gunfights-trained-officers-have-percent-hit-rate-yet-want-arm-teachers/mDBlhDtV6Na4wJVpeu58cM/

    "The New York Police Department is the nation’s largest police force and among the best trained, yet its own study showed between 1998 and 2006, the average hit rate was 18 percent for officers in a gunfight."


    Mrs Smith, the 60 year old kindergarten teacher, is much more accurate than trained police officers. So is Coach X who shoots at beer cans every other weekend when he is bored. Ignore that study, it doesn't teaches you anything. Everybody knows the good guy with a gun axiom
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    07 Mar '18 15:59
    Originally posted by @zahlanzi
    https://www.myajc.com/blog/get-schooled/gunfights-trained-officers-have-percent-hit-rate-yet-want-arm-teachers/mDBlhDtV6Na4wJVpeu58cM/

    "The New York Police Department is the nation’s largest police force and among the best trained, yet its own study showed between 1998 and 2006, the average hit rate was 18 percent for officers in a gunfight."


    Mrs S ...[text shortened]... gnore that study, it doesn't teaches you anything. Everybody knows the good guy with a gun axiom
    Many teachers would be incompetent in the handling of a firearm. When did anyone suggest arming ALL teachers? Is your argument based on false pretense?
  3. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    07 Mar '18 16:10
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    When did anyone suggest arming ALL teachers?
    That would be crazy, right?
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    07 Mar '18 22:431 edit
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    Many teachers would be incompetent in the handling of a firearm. When did anyone suggest arming ALL teachers? Is your argument based on false pretense?
    how about you learn some english before being a smug pretentious ass?

    nobody suggested arming all teachers. not the link, not me. "arming teachers" doesn't mean ALL teachers. it means some teachers.

    you did however. because you are too dumb to realize how this idea isn't dumb if all teachers are armed, it's dumb if ANY teachers are dumb and you thought you can more easily argue against an even more ludicrous scenario.


    to reiterate: trained cops, NYPD. during the course of several years, they had an average of 18% hit rate.

    Not even ONE normal teacher has the same training as a police officer (unless you find likely outlandish scenarios as retired navy seal becoming a teacher). Teachers will do even worse than police officers. While being paid less. In a job that doesn't involve shootings in any civilized country. All because you asholes cannot comprehend one shouldn't be able to buy a weapon of war in less time than it takes to get a driver's license.
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    07 Mar '18 23:03
    Originally posted by @zahlanzi
    how about you learn some english before being a smug pretentious ass?

    nobody suggested arming all teachers. not the link, not me. "arming teachers" doesn't mean ALL teachers. it means some teachers.

    you did however. because you are too dumb to realize how this idea isn't dumb if all teachers are armed, it's dumb if ANY teachers are dumb and you thou ...[text shortened]... e shouldn't be able to buy a weapon of war in less time than it takes to get a driver's license.
    Being from Romania it is you that struggles with English. The idea isn't that teachers will be carrying, it is that they might be carrying.

    While berating a fellow poster for stretching the meaning of a post zahalzni commits the same mistake,

    zahlanzi logic 🙄
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    07 Mar '18 23:05
    Originally posted by @zahlanzi
    how about you learn some english before being a smug pretentious ass?

    nobody suggested arming all teachers. not the link, not me. "arming teachers" doesn't mean ALL teachers. it means some teachers.

    you did however. because you are too dumb to realize how this idea isn't dumb if all teachers are armed, it's dumb if ANY teachers are dumb and you thou ...[text shortened]... e shouldn't be able to buy a weapon of war in less time than it takes to get a driver's license.
    Damn man...why are liberals so angry and violent? Settle down!

    It would help if you were able to post a workable url.
    What is dumb is liberal policies requiring officers to stand down and not reporting student violence. To many black kids being caught up with that reporting.

    https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2018-03-06/did-an-obama-era-school-discipline-policy-contribute-to-the-parkland-shooting
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    07 Mar '18 23:17
    Originally posted by @zahlanzi
    https://www.myajc.com/blog/get-schooled/gunfights-trained-officers-have-percent-hit-rate-yet-want-arm-teachers/mDBlhDtV6Na4wJVpeu58cM/

    "The New York Police Department is the nation’s largest police force and among the best trained, yet its own study showed between 1998 and 2006, the average hit rate was 18 percent for officers in a gunfight."


    Mrs S ...[text shortened]... gnore that study, it doesn't teaches you anything. Everybody knows the good guy with a gun axiom
    Right, that is an issue.

    One of the differences, though, is that the NYPD are most likely pursuing fleeing people or engaging folks in circumstances of the choosing of the criminal; there is literally zero ambush potential in most occasions, as well, because the Police are not allowed to use such a tactic.

    Teachers would have greater ambush potential and would presumably be engaging the shooters in more close quarter circumstances. One would also imagine that they would generally have the students behind them or signal to students prior to opening fire.

    So, IDK.

    On the one hand it does seem a little bit crazy arming teachers, but on the other hand, people pretend that having zero guns in a mass shooting event is preferable to not having armed teachers who are qualified and capable.

    I can also recollect in my own school we had several ex-military teachers that would have been formidable in the sense that they were intimidating adult men often with serious demeanors.
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    07 Mar '18 23:19
    Originally posted by @wajoma
    Being from Romania it is you that struggles with English. The idea isn't that teachers will be carrying, it is that they might be carrying.

    While berating a fellow poster for stretching the meaning of a post zahalzni commits the same mistake,

    zahlanzi logic 🙄
    Wujumu going for the ole "English isn't your first language, so hah!"

    Good one, Wujumu! Been a while since I saw you whip that one out.
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    07 Mar '18 23:23
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    Damn man...why are liberals so angry and violent?
    "On February 14, 2018, a mass shooting occurred at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida. Seventeen people were killed and sixteen more were injured, making it one of the world's deadliest school massacres.

    Just guessing, Mutt... but this might be a reason.

    Some people get angry over stuff like this, others get angry over the possibility of not being able to buy a gun quite as easily. Differences, eh?
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    07 Mar '18 23:38
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    Damn man...why are liberals so angry and violent? Settle down!

    It would help if you were able to post a workable url.
    What is dumb is liberal policies requiring officers to stand down and not reporting student violence. To many black kids being caught up with that reporting.

    https://www.usnews.com/news/education-news/articles/2018-03-06/did-an-obama-era-school-discipline-policy-contribute-to-the-parkland-shooting
    "Damn man...why are liberals so angry "
    i am not angry just because i called you an idiot
    "and violent"
    you mean like metaphorically, "words hurt", violent?

    "It would help if you were able to post a workable url."
    it does work. teaching you how to copy paste links in the address bar of a brows is not my job.

    "What is dumb is liberal policies requiring officers to stand down and not reporting student violence."
    huh? he was expelled. before that, people tried to help him. what else would you have liked? arrested? when he was in middle school? without an actual crime being committed? are you psychotic?

    it would have helped however if someone like him, someone with a history of violence, couldn't buy a FUKIN AR-15. you have no problem arresting someone for the smallest hint of trouble but it's ok to sell them guns.

    "To many black kids being caught up with that reporting. "
    yes, yes, we know you're racist , no need to remind us.


    and yes, the link. Marco Rubio, a whore bought by the NRA, tries to blame a policy that was aimed at keeping children out of prison because he must draw attention away from the fact that NRA, a terrorist organization, aims to make money no matter how many americans die.

    If you had read the link beyond the title you would have found ample explanation as to why Marco Rubio is a whore who lies, and a dumb whore at that.
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    07 Mar '18 23:50
    Originally posted by @philokalia
    Right, that is an issue.

    One of the differences, though, is that the NYPD are most likely pursuing fleeing people or engaging folks in circumstances of the choosing of the criminal; there is literally zero ambush potential in most occasions, as well, because the Police are not allowed to use such a tactic.

    Teachers would have greater ambush poten ...[text shortened]... been formidable in the sense that they were intimidating adult men often with serious demeanors.
    "Teachers would have greater ambush potential "
    Are you insane? You are talking about teachers as if they are marines in a video game. Can you comprehend how insane that sounds? Ambush? ambush who? They are teachers. They are in their classes to freakin teach. When the mass shooting starts, how many children do you think will die before these navy seals teachers start organizing ambushes?

    The deputy sheriff, armed and paid to protect didn't enter the school. By what right do you ask teachers to arm themselves and start shooting and for what? For a 500$ bonus? Without offering them a pay raise and training?

    Not to mention that they are freakin TEACHERS. They signed up to be teachers. To teach. If they wanted a gun and to play police, they would have joined the police academy or the army.

    "On the one hand it does seem a little bit crazy arming teachers, but on the other hand, people pretend that having zero guns in a mass shooting event is preferable to not having armed teachers who are qualified and capable. "
    no. People say that mass shootings can almost be eliminated by tightening gun control laws to a reasonable degree. Fact proven by Australia. Canada. All civilized countries.
    People say that teachers are not paid to carry and shoot guns. To put their lives on the line. People say that teachers teach and police officers protect and both their jobs are made impossible by the fact that you can buy freakin war instruments from a gun store in a matter of minutes. No matter your mental stability, no matter your history of violence, no matter of prior offences. With ammo by the bucket.

    People are saying that is unacceptable.

    "I can also recollect in my own school we had several ex-military teachers that would have been formidable in the sense that they were intimidating adult men often with serious demeanors"
    yes, like i said, every school has at least half a dozen of ex military adult men, manly men. Perhaps even some from special forces.
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    08 Mar '18 00:241 edit
    Originally posted by @great-king-rat
    Wujumu going for the ole "English isn't your first language, so hah!"

    Good one, Wujumu! Been a while since I saw you whip that one out.
    Yes it was a good one, thanks for the compliment but I think the point has flown over your head. It was zahlanzis hypocrisy at berating another poster for something he does himself with monotonous consistency.
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    08 Mar '18 00:30
    Originally posted by @zahlanzi
    "Teachers would have greater ambush potential "
    Are you insane? You are talking about teachers as if they are marines in a video game. Can you comprehend how insane that sounds? Ambush? ambush who? They are teachers. They are in their classes to freakin teach. When the mass shooting starts, how many children do you think will die before these navy seals t ...[text shortened]... t least half a dozen of ex military adult men, manly men. Perhaps even some from special forces.
    (1) I do not mean ambush in the sense of planning out a literal ambush. I mean ambush in the sense of surprising the gunman from an angle or having the drop on him from a position.

    This would be extremely easy if you are the prey and they are marching throughout the school looking for targets.

    You can literally do this with no training; it is utterly instinctual, just as running away is.

    (2) Yeah, litearlly every single school has ex-military or other enthusiasts that are capable of handling a gun.

    And guess what? They aren't insane. They are teachers that you pay with tax dollars to educate your children. They already are deemed worthy of being around your kids and responsible for them. As they are Americans, they already have access to loads of guns.
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    08 Mar '18 00:53
    Originally posted by @philokalia
    Teachers would have greater ambush potential and would presumably be engaging the shooters in more close quarter circumstances.
    LMAO
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    08 Mar '18 02:01
    Originally posted by @wolfgang59
    LMAO
    In other words, though, it would simply be that if Police were in the same scenario they would have much higher results than the eighteen percent given.

    Just trying to answer the numbers disparity and explain the situation.
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