# Ayn Rand Objective realism

crikey63
Debates 03 Mar '15 07:03
1. 03 Mar '15 07:03
Before yesterday I had never heard of Ayn Rand. I can see in the maths of natural numbers that an abstract reality exists, one ball + one ball equals two balls ,so far so good . What about probability, rolling a six sided dice should give a 1/6 chance of a chosen number coming up. Now here is the rub , it needs to be a perfect dice, which obviously does not exist. So for dice dice throwing probability no objective reality exists , an axiomatic reality or human construct exists where we assume the dice is perfect.
Now I'm probably going to get shot down here because I don't know anything really of Ayn Rand , if objective realism isn't applicable to dice throwing how can you apply it to the economic and social sciences (sciences used loosely). Just as an instance Economics isn't an objective reality , its a set of observations under contrived conditions .
2. 03 Mar '15 09:31
Originally posted by crikey63
Before yesterday I had never heard of Ayn Rand. I can see in the maths of natural numbers that an abstract reality exists, one ball + one ball equals two balls ,so far so good . What about probability, rolling a six sided dice should give a 1/6 chance of a chosen number coming up. Now here is the rub , it needs to be a perfect dice, which obviously does not ...[text shortened]... e Economics isn't an objective reality , its a set of observations under contrived conditions .
"Now I'm probably going to get shot down here because I don't know anything really of Ayn Rand"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objectivism_(Ayn_Rand)

3. Seitse
Doug Stanhope
03 Mar '15 09:34
And then, when the debate is over, we'll all conclude that
Rand is a phony and her "philosophy" is mere bombastic
verbalization of teenage selfishness and douchebaggery.
4. 03 Mar '15 09:40
Originally posted by Seitse
And then, when the debate is over, we'll all conclude that
Rand is a phony and her "philosophy" is mere bombastic
verbalization of teenage selfishness and douchebaggery.
5. 03 Mar '15 10:39
Originally posted by Zahlanzi
"Now I'm probably going to get shot down here because I don't know anything really of Ayn Rand"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objectivism_(Ayn_Rand)

Go through this in simpletons terms , Ayn Rands central tenets are that things exist outside human consciousness, even abstract things like natural numbers. Now natural numbers do seem have an abstract existence. There are things that don't however , I just wondered how she arbitrarily decided what existed and what didn't and what was a human construct , that's all .
6. 03 Mar '15 10:46
Originally posted by crikey63
Go through this in simpletons terms , Ayn Rands central tenets are that things exist outside human consciousness, even abstract things like natural numbers. Now natural numbers do seem have an abstract existence. There are things that don't however , I just wondered how she arbitrarily decided what existed and what didn't and what was a human construct , that's all .
ayn rand objectivism relates to humans, not abstract notions. it is meant as an excuse to laissez-faire capitalism. you cannot twist her philosophy to the point it has 0 in common with its original purpose.

that is why you research a subject before discussing it.
7. 03 Mar '15 11:32
Originally posted by Zahlanzi
ayn rand objectivism relates to humans, not abstract notions. it is meant as an excuse to laissez-faire capitalism. you cannot twist her philosophy to the point it has 0 in common with its original purpose.

that is why you research a subject before discussing it.
There goes my chair in Philosophy at Cambridge , actually it was more of a question than a debating issue, objective realism obviously means different things to different people , LOL.
8. 03 Mar '15 11:54
Originally posted by crikey63
There goes my chair in Philosophy at Cambridge , actually it was more of a question than a debating issue, objective realism obviously means different things to different people , LOL.
yes, that is why we specify we are talking about randian crap to make the subject clear.

in my opinion, what you are talking about, while a meritous subject in itself, has nothing to do with randian drivel.
9. vivify
rain
03 Mar '15 12:44
Originally posted by Seitse
And then, when the debate is over, we'll all conclude that
Rand is a phony and her "philosophy" is mere bombastic
verbalization of teenage selfishness and douchebaggery.
Fitting that she's so popular with conservatives.
10. 03 Mar '15 13:18
Originally posted by vivify
Fitting that she's so popular with conservatives.
conservatives who are ignorant of rand's views on God. or abortion. or Reagan. or taking social security when one really needs it.
11. 03 Mar '15 13:33
Originally posted by Zahlanzi
conservatives who are ignorant of rand's views on God. or abortion. or Reagan. or taking social security when one really needs it.
I'm out of the loop here, is there a Ayn Rand for Dummies
12. 03 Mar '15 14:03
Originally posted by crikey63
I'm out of the loop here, is there a Ayn Rand for Dummies
13. 03 Mar '15 14:38
Originally posted by Zahlanzi