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    25 Feb '19 21:09
    He tells it like it is 😉
  2. Seongnam, S. Korea
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    25 Feb '19 23:14
    @chessistoohard said
    He tells it like it is 😉
    He's really one of the strongest voices for classical liberalism out there.

    But, honestly, classical liberalism doesn't have much of a future as the GOP goes populist and the Democrats are going more hard left.

    He was born too late.
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    26 Feb '19 00:16
    You kiss your mother with that mouth? How dare you.
    Ben Shapiro 2024!
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    26 Feb '19 01:40
    @philokalia said
    He's really one of the strongest voices for classical liberalism out there.

    But, honestly, classical liberalism doesn't have much of a future as the GOP goes populist and the Democrats are going more hard left.

    He was born too late.
    You really need to invest into some sarcasm detection technology.
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    26 Feb '19 02:01
    @zahlanzi said
    You really need to invest into some sarcasm detection technology.
    I guess I should've paid attention to the emoji?

    But it's not absurd to like Ben Shapiro at all and I don't know who this poster is.
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    @philokalia said
    I guess I should've paid attention to the emoji?

    But it's not absurd to like Ben Shapiro at all and I don't know who this poster is.
    I don't know who this poster is.
    Unhuh. 😉
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    26 Feb '19 07:46
    @philokalia said
    I guess I should've paid attention to the emoji?

    But it's not absurd to like Ben Shapiro at all and I don't know who this poster is.
    Yes it is absurd and even more so to think he should be president.
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    26 Feb '19 07:55
    I'd say Shapiro is too much of a moron to be president, but we all know that can't be true...
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    I've always thought that it spoke of intellectual to integrity to be able to call someone you don't agree with intelligent.

    Have you ever listened to Ben Shapiro? I don't fully agree with him on a lot of things, but the guy puts forward the best arguments of his position while relying on empirical data and careful reasoning.

    There's flaws in his arguments, of course, and you may disagree with him but I fail to see how you'd call him a dummy.
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    26 Feb '19 10:07
    @philokalia said
    I've always thought that it spoke of intellectual to integrity to be able to call someone you don't agree with intelligent.

    Have you ever listened to Ben Shapiro? I don't fully agree with him on a lot of things, but the guy puts forward the best arguments of his position while relying on empirical data and careful reasoning.

    There's flaws in his arguments, of course, and you may disagree with him but I fail to see how you'd call him a dummy.
    "I've always thought that it spoke of intellectual to integrity to be able to call someone you don't agree with intelligent."
    I didn't say he is stupid. Despite being in the age of Trump (which occupies most of our time), there are other characteristics than stupid which make a person a ridiculous choice for president.

    "Have you ever listened to Ben Shapiro?"
    I have. He is a dishonest political hack who receives money to push an agenda. He isn't interested in an honest discussion. He is a snowflake and a hypocrite. His proudest moment is listing ways to "win" a debate with a liberal
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    Fair enough, Zahl. It was Kazet who said that he is a moron, and who I was primarily addressing.

    If you want to say that he is dishonest or some such... Sure, IDK.

    I think he is sincere and passionate about his beliefs, and I think that the only thing that he might actually be concealing at all is that he publicly steers his opinions on LGBTQ to a more limited field of discussion points than he personally believes (I think he is an Arch-Conservative on this).

    I find him to be hypocritical when it comes to things like "ethnic nationalism" as well -- supporting all of this stuff for Israel, but none of it for Western states. This is... something I am sure he has forced himself to think about, but I have no idea whether he has decided to continue in the way he does out of a complex set of rationalizations that he doesn't fully believe, reasons he actually believes, or out of some broader tactic that could be motivated by something that is evil or just cowardly.

    Who knows.

    I know no one's heart but my own.

    So I would say this, Zahl... I do not think you are a fool or that you habitually judge other's character wrong or some such, but only that... we should be charitable to people, and we should assume that they do not have bad intentions, because if we do that we can actually engage them better. Perhaps it is OK to assume that a group has bad intentions collectively, but we should never write off the individual.

    For instance, I am the opposite of Hillary Clinton in many ways and I think she might be evil ins ome ways, but I refuse to accept that as the narrative of her as a person and her life. I prefer to believe she is a good person that merely advocates bad things because they are her sincere beliefs or because she has rationalized them and has some other sorts of conflicts within herself that brought her to that.

    I am a Christian that despises ISIS and Islamic fundamentalism, but I will say... I want to believe that there are many members of ISIS that are actually good deep down, and that the ones who are even doing bad and evil things now reconnect with the part of themselves that was there in the beginning of their life where they were unsullied, innocent, and well intended towards others and the world.

    Inside every adult there is a part of them that unconditionally can love others and be in harmony, and there is a part of them that is the unsullied image of God... And that never vanishes. So, we should not judge people harshly.
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    @philokalia said
    Fair enough, Zahl. It was Kazet who said that he is a moron, and who I was primarily addressing.

    If you want to say that he is dishonest or some such... Sure, IDK.

    I think he is sincere and passionate about his beliefs, and I think that the only thing that he might actually be concealing at all is that he publicly steers his opinions on LGBTQ to a more limit ...[text shortened]... at is the unsullied image of God... And that never vanishes. So, we should not judge people harshly.
    "I think he is sincere and passionate about his beliefs"
    He should stop lying then. Twist the facts. Let his beliefs stand on their own. He can't do that because many conservative beliefs are NOT popular. They are on their way out because the people who hold them get educated and/or retire to florida.


    "we should be charitable to people"
    we should be. That's why liberals consider healthcare and education to be a right. A living wage. He is on the record to say that Social Security should be cut and that it is fair and good that the military budget was increased.


    "Perhaps it is OK to assume that a group has bad intentions collectively, but we should never write off the individual. "
    It's the bloody opposite of that. It is ignorant to dismiss a group collectively but the individual has clear views that can be judged. I don't know what people who label themselves as conservative are like (for example, in the US). Some are racist and sexist and some simply want to feed their families. What i do know is that if you poll conservatives on social issues (without telling them they are "socialist"😉 the majority of them support them. What i do know is what Ben Shapiro says, how he says it and where he gets money from. I can very easily dismiss Ben as the hack that he is.


    "I want to believe that there are many members of ISIS that are actually good deep down, and that the ones who are even doing bad and evil things now reconnect with the part of themselves that was there in the beginning of their life where they were unsullied, innocent, and well intended towards others and the world. "
    People who throw gays off tall buildings and behead prisoners are good deep down. Care to rephrase that in a way that doesn't paint you as, what's the word, dumb?

    "Inside every adult there is a part of them that unconditionally can love others and be in harmony, and there is a part of them that is the unsullied image of God... "
    I believe in a God (whatever flavor of god is not important) and this is absolutely insulting to God. To say that in an isis militant, who wants to kill as many infidels, who executes gays and even other muslims, who enslave women, is deep down good and can unconditionally love others is an insult to god, it is an insult to humans.

    They are not humans. They are not complex creatures that we must understand ( besides how to best dismantle them and their organization). They are monsters that must be destroyed.
    We can debate who created those monsters, who and what is to blame for their existence but the fact remains, they are beyond saving.
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    "we should be charitable to people"
    we should be. That's why liberals consider healthcare and education to be a right. A living wage. He is on the record to say that Social Security should be cut and that it is fair and good that the military budget was increased.
    Zahlooney, it can only be considered charity when folk have a choice. Benevolence is a virtue and you'll never be able to claim it when you advocate the force of the state.

    People aren't being charitable or benevolent, they're reacting to having a stick waved at them. You're an enemy of benevolence. Your philosophy is the antithesis of caring, your philosophy kills this noble virtue.

    Zahlooney logic 🙄
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    26 Feb '19 12:32
    I was being serious.
    Ben Shapiro is always the smartest guy in the room. He out debates everyone.
    Classical Liberalism?
    I thought he was a far right almost white supremaciat Jew?
    I wasn't being sarcastic about his presidency in 2024.
    Obviously the Democrats will win in 2020 but after the recession and stock market crash people will want to go back to the Republican way for the jobs/stock market/economy etc etc.
    Just watch Ben Shapiro's videos. He's great. 😉 (Winking emoji does not imply sarcasm)
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    @chessistoohard said
    I was being serious.
    Ben Shapiro is always the smartest guy in the room. He out debates everyone.
    Classical Liberalism?
    I thought he was a far right almost white supremaciat Jew?
    I wasn't being sarcastic about his presidency in 2024.
    Obviously the Democrats will win in 2020 but after the recession and stock market crash people will want to go back to the Republic ...[text shortened]... nomy etc etc.
    Just watch Ben Shapiro's videos. He's great. 😉 (Winking emoji does not imply sarcasm)
    you can be sarcastic about him running for presidency or you could be serious and stupid. He isn't dumb. You supporting him and thinking he believes 100% what he says and not figuring out when he lies and distorts the facts means you are.
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