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  1. 15 Nov '15 22:29 / 1 edit
    Did Bernie Sanders just blame the Paris attacks on a lack of water and climate change?
    Yes, yes he did. And this guy wants to be president.




    But he gets a lot more wrong than just that.


    “In fact, climate change is directly related to the growth of terrorism,” said Sanders.




    “And if we do not get our act together and listen to what the scientists say, you’re going to see counties all over the world…they’re going to be struggling over limited amounts of water, limited amounts of land to grow their crops, and you’re going to see all kinds of international conflict.”




    Sanders said at the second Democratic debate in Iowa that climate change poses the biggest threat to America’s national security and to security of the world.




    Sanders also argued that the growth of national terrorism and instability in the Middle East was caused by the invasion of Iraq.




    “I would argue that the disastrous invasion of Iraq, something that I strongly opposed, has unraveled the region completely and led to the rise of Al Qaeda and to ISIS,” Sanders said.

    Okay, I know you're old Bernie, but do you not recall that 9/11 and the World Trade Center bombing when Clinton was president and the attack on the U.S.S. Cole, etc. all happened before the invasion of Iraq? And don't blame it on the first invasion because countless nations took part in that one, including many Arab nations.




    How can someone be that old and still be so sophomoric?




    But let me not gloss over the specious global warming link. He's saying that global warming is causing food and water shortages and the unrest that has led to the rise of these terrorist organizations is resulting from lack of food and water. This includes the oil rich countries of Saudi Arabia (for example) where much of this jihadi fundamentalism ferments.




    Bernie - this is a radical religious based problem. Period. If you want to throw a progressive spin on it, you're not even doing that right! Try "the problem is religion" or the problem is that "these people cannot get proper education because they are so poor so we need to send them money take in more refugees." (By the way the latter one is racist because you're claiming they are not capable of growing themselves out of poverty). François Hollande, president of France, is a socialist. He's saying France is going to wage a pitiless war. He may not have always gotten it, but he certainly does now. So you can be a socialist without being a head-in-the-sand fool on terrorism*.




    Some on the left have argued that Sanders is actually helping Republicans (because he's supposedly too forward thinking). And there is some thought that he's not really in it to win it but rather to get his issues and views into the national zeitgeist for the future. Sanders saying things like global warming causes terrorism, certainly lends credence to the idea that he doesn't want to win.

    http://www.nonsensibleshoes.com/2015/11/did-bernie-sanders-really-just-blame.html
  2. 15 Nov '15 22:31 / 3 edits
    Bernie is not alone. If they have a "D" by their name, they all think this way.

    http://www.cnsnews.com/blog/terence-p-jeffrey/obama-climate-change-greatest-threat

    "No challenge--no challenge--poses a greater threat to future generations than climate change," President Obama declared in his State of the Union Address on Tuesday night.

    Although he referred to it as "climate change" and not "global warming," the president immediately followed his declaration that this was the greatest threat to future generations by stating that fourteen of the hottest fifteen years "on record" have occured since 2000.



    "2014 was the planet’s warmest year on record," said Obama. "Now, one year doesn’t make a trend, but this does: 14 of the 15 warmest years on record have all fallen in the first 15 years of this century."

    Obama said that he is not a scientist but that the "best scientists" are saying that human beings are "changing the climate" and that "we" need to "act forcefully" in response to this.

    "I’ve heard some folks try to dodge the evidence by saying they’re not scientists; that we don’t have enough information to act," said Obama. "Well, I’m not a scientist, either. But, you know what, I know a lot of really good scientists at NASA, and NOAA, and at our major universities. The best scientists in the world are all telling us that our activities are changing the climate, and if we do not act forcefully, we’ll continue to see rising oceans, longer, hotter heat waves, dangerous droughts and floods, and massive disruptions that can trigger greater migration, conflict, and hunger around the globe."

    President Obama then said that the U.S. military is saying that "climate change" is causing immediate risks to our national security--although he did not explain exactly what this meant or how the "Pentagon" had arrived at this conclusion.

    "The Pentagon says that climate change poses immediate risks to our national security," said Obama. "We should act like it."

    The president then pointed to things he has done to counter these vague "immediate risks."

    "That’s why, over the past six years, we’ve done more than ever before to combat climate change, from the way we produce energy, to the way we use it," said Obama.

    "That’s why we’ve set aside more public lands and waters than any administration in history," he said. "And that’s why I will not let this Congress endanger the health of our children by turning back the clock on our efforts. I am determined to make sure American leadership drives international action."

    He then cited his work on the issue with the Communist government of the People's Republic of China.

    "In Beijing, we made an historic announcement: the United States will double the pace at which we cut carbon pollution, and China committed, for the first time, to limiting their emissions," said Obama. "And because the world’s two largest economies came together, other nations are now stepping up, and offering hope that, this year, the world will finally reach an agreement to protect the one planet we’ve got."

    If global "climate change" caused by human action is indeed the greatest threat facing future generations and it therefore must be stopped, as President Obama argues, it will necessarily take a global authority with the power to stop human beings from engaging in the actions that cause "climate change" to avert that threat.
  3. 15 Nov '15 22:41
    Here is a list of things that are caused by climate change. I'm sure it will double within a year or so.

    http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/globalwarming2.html
  4. 15 Nov '15 22:51
    Google search on

    mideast and climate change

    shows a number of scholarly and otherwise respectable publications on this topic.
  5. 15 Nov '15 23:28
    Originally posted by JS357
    Google search on

    mideast and climate change

    shows a number of scholarly and otherwise respectable publications on this topic.
    The history of Islam from the 7th century forward has been one of military aggression. I find it hard to believe that 1400 years of history are controlled by the climate.
  6. 16 Nov '15 00:08
    Originally posted by normbenign
    The history of Islam from the 7th century forward has been one of military aggression. I find it hard to believe that 1400 years of history are controlled by the climate.
    I am aware of that. The articles I cite talk more about the coming decades.
  7. 16 Nov '15 00:16 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by normbenign to JS357
    The history of Islam from the 7th century forward has been one of military aggression.
    I find it hard to believe that 1400 years of history are controlled by the climate.
    When the European Christian crusaders conquered Jerusalem and massacred its Muslim
    and Jewish inhabitants, would Normbenign extol it as a purely altruistic act of self-defense?
  8. 16 Nov '15 02:09
    Originally posted by normbenign
    The history of Islam from the 7th century forward has been one of military aggression. I find it hard to believe that 1400 years of history are controlled by the climate.
    Yes, but in all fairness, climate change has been going on for some time now.

    Every damn time I walk outside the weather is different.
  9. 16 Nov '15 02:09
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    When the European Christian crusaders conquered Jerusalem and massacred its Muslim
    and Jewish inhabitants, would Normbenign extol it as a purely altruistic act of self-defense?
    The massacre can all be attributed to climate change.

    It had nothing to do with the Crusaders.
  10. 16 Nov '15 02:10
    Originally posted by JS357
    Google search on

    mideast and climate change

    shows a number of scholarly and otherwise respectable publications on this topic.
    Are you suggesting that the attack in Paris is linked to climate change?

    Was the attack the result of a lack of water?
  11. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    16 Nov '15 03:03
    Originally posted by whodey
    Did Bernie Sanders just blame the Paris attacks on a lack of water and climate change?
    Yes, yes he did. And this guy wants to be president.




    But he gets a lot more wrong than just that.


    “In fact, climate change is directly related to the growth of terrorism,” said Sanders.




    “And if we do not get our act together and listen to what the ...[text shortened]... ant to win.

    http://www.nonsensibleshoes.com/2015/11/did-bernie-sanders-really-just-blame.html
    I would have to see a video with him saying all that nonsense to believe it.
  12. Donation rwingett
    Ming the Merciless
    16 Nov '15 03:14
    Originally posted by whodey
    Bernie is not alone. If they have a "D" by their name, they all think this way.

    http://www.cnsnews.com/blog/terence-p-jeffrey/obama-climate-change-greatest-threat

    "No challenge--no challenge--poses a greater threat to future generations than climate change," President Obama declared in his State of the Union Address on Tuesday night.

    Although he re ...[text shortened]... stop human beings from engaging in the actions that cause "climate change" to avert that threat.
    Bernie is right. A severe drought in Syria, caused by climate change, pushed many farmers into the cities where Assad's heavy handed response to their plight led to open conflict.

    It would be more correct, I suppose, to say that climate change was merely one of the contributing factors. But its one that you're going to be seeing a lot more of. Extreme climate events in the not so distant future are going to be displacing vast numbers of people.
  13. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    16 Nov '15 03:25
    Originally posted by rwingett
    Bernie is right. A severe drought in Syria, caused by climate change, pushed many farmers into the cities where Assad's heavy handed response to their plight led to open conflict.

    It would be more correct, I suppose, to say that climate change was merely one of the contributing factors. But its one that you're going to be seeing a lot more of. Extreme climate events in the not so distant future are going to be displacing vast numbers of people.
    It has already been reported the ISIS has taken credit for attacking Paris. Syrian farmers had nothing to do with it and it does not make sense for them to blame a severe drought on the people in Paris anyway. This must be a bogus report, for I can not believe Bernie Sanders has gone bonkers.
  14. Standard member bill718
    Enigma
    16 Nov '15 04:07 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by whodey
    Did Bernie Sanders just blame the Paris attacks on a lack of water and climate change?
    Yes, yes he did. And this guy wants to be president.




    But he gets a lot more wrong than just that.


    “In fact, climate change is directly related to the growth of terrorism,” said Sanders.




    “And if we do not get our act together and listen to what the ...[text shortened]... ant to win.

    http://www.nonsensibleshoes.com/2015/11/did-bernie-sanders-really-just-blame.html
    Whodey, If you consider carefully what Bernie said (rather than putting your own spin on it) he was trying to tell people that climate change will bring about food shortages, economic chaos, and other problems we've never faced before. This supply and demand problem will result in the countries that have little, trying to obtain what they need from those who have plenty. Desperate people do desperate things, and if they have to resort to terrorism in order to obtain the basics of life, then terrorism will happen!

    I would invite you to read and listen more carefully to what people are trying to communicate before you commence with another one of your leaps of illogic.
  15. Standard member RJHinds
    The Near Genius
    16 Nov '15 04:48
    Originally posted by bill718
    Whodey, If you consider carefully what Bernie said (rather than putting your own spin on it) he was trying to tell people that climate change will bring about food shortages, economic chaos, and other problems we've never faced before. This supply and demand problem will result in the countries that have little, trying to obtain what they need from those who ...[text shortened]... eople are trying to communicate before you commence with another one of your leaps of illogic.
    Like I said before, ISIS has already taken credit for the attacks on Paris. It had nothing to do with any food shortages, etc. Did they take any food from the people in Paris? No. So you are full of crap.