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  1. Standard memberGrampy Bobby
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    07 Feb '16 17:47
    Best of the Best:

    "Once upon a time when our politicians did not tend to apologize for
    our country's prior actions, here's a refresher on how some of our
    former patriots handled negative comments about our great country.


    JFK'S Secretary of State, Dean Rusk, was in France in the early 60's when
    DeGaulle decided to pull out of NATO.

    DeGaulle said he wanted all US military out of
    France as soon as possible.

    Rusk responded,
    "Does that include those who are buried here?"

    DeGaulle
    did not respond.
    You
    could have heard a pin drop."

    Note: An email today from a family friend.
    (to be continued)
    ______________

    Your thoughts?
  2. Standard membervivify
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    07 Feb '16 17:513 edits
    Anyone who harms other should apologize for their actions; especially when they're horrible ones, like what happened with Native Americans, blacks, Vietnam, Iraq, etc. Only an arrogant mind believes otherwise.
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    07 Feb '16 18:42
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    [b]Best of the Best:

    "Once upon a time when our politicians did not tend to apologize for
    our country's prior actions, here's a refresher on how some of our
    former patriots handled negative comments about our great country.


    JFK'S Secretary of State, Dean Rusk, was in France in the early 60's when
    DeGaulle decided to pull out of NATO.
    ...[text shortened]...
    Note: An email today from a family friend.
    (to be continued)
    ______________

    Your thoughts?[/b]
    I say they should have dug them up and sent them back home.
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    07 Feb '16 23:18
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    [b]Best of the Best:

    "Once upon a time when our politicians did not tend to apologize for
    our country's prior actions, here's a refresher on how some of our
    former patriots handled negative comments about our great country.


    JFK'S Secretary of State, Dean Rusk, was in France in the early 60's when
    DeGaulle decided to pull out of NATO.
    ...[text shortened]...
    Note: An email today from a family friend.
    (to be continued)
    ______________

    Your thoughts?[/b]
    Many of the French WW2 military surplus rifles were sold in the US and advertised as "never been fired and only dropped once".LOL
  5. The Catbird's Seat
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    07 Feb '16 23:24
    Originally posted by vivify
    Anyone who harms other should apologize for their actions; especially when they're horrible ones, like what happened with Native Americans, blacks, Vietnam, Iraq, etc. Only an arrogant mind believes otherwise.
    Presuming that the US apologized for your perceived wrongs, would the other parties admit to and apologize for their wrongs as well?
  6. Standard membervivify
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    08 Feb '16 03:23
    Originally posted by normbenign
    Presuming that the US apologized for your perceived wrongs, would the other parties admit to and apologize for their wrongs as well?
    Did you say that my post about the wrongs toward Native Americans, blacks, Vietnam and Iraq are "perceived" wrongs? Smh.

    So wrongs do you think the "other parties" like the Native Americans should admit to? Existing?
  7. Standard memberGrampy Bobby
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    08 Feb '16 09:05
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby (OP)
    Best of the Best:

    "Once upon a time when our politicians did not tend to apologize for
    our country's prior actions, here's a refresher on how some of our
    former patriots handled negative comments about our great country.


    JFK'S Secretary of State, Dean Rusk, was in France in the early 60's when
    DeGaulle decided to pull out of NATO. ...[text shortened]... "

    Note: An email today from a family friend.
    (to be continued)
    ______________

    Your thoughts?
    "When in England , at a fairly large conference,

    Colin Powell was asked by the Archbishop of Canterbury
    if our plans for Iraq were just an example of
    'empire building' by George Bush.

    He answered by saying,
    "Over the years, the United States has sent many of
    its fine young men and women into great peril to fight for
    freedom beyond our borders.
    The only amount of land we have ever asked for in return
    is enough to bury those that did not return."

    You could have heard a pin drop."

    (to be continued)
    _________________
  8. Cape Town
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    08 Feb '16 09:24
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    The only amount of land we have ever asked for in return
    is enough to bury those that did not return."
    But we'll take all your oil, just the same.
  9. Cape Town
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    08 Feb '16 09:332 edits
    In the same speech, Colin Powel said:
    So our record of living our values and letting our values be an inspiration to others I think is clear. And I don't think I have anything to be ashamed of or apologize for with respect to what America has done for the world.

    Sounds like the sort of thing that Grampy would love to believe is true, but is somewhat in contradiction to reality.
    The US has been involved in a number of cases of directly rigging elections or starting civil wars, carrying out assassinations or attempted assassinations and more, for the sole purpose of furthering their own aims.
    As for the actual quote, the full speech mentions Afghanistan and says America has 'asked for nothing' in return. But if you actually do your research you will find that there are some very valuable mineral rights in Afghanistan that America has asked for, not to mention the opium trade that they wanted restarted.

    Colin Powel:
    We have gone forth from our shores repeatedly over the last hundred years and we’ve done this as recently as the last year in Afghanistan and put wonderful young men and women at risk, many of whom have lost their lives, and we have asked for nothing except enough ground to bury them in,


    Contrast that with:
    http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-war-is-worth-waging-afghanistan-s-vast-reserves-of-minerals-and-natural-gas/19769

    You could have heard a pin drop.
  10. Standard memberwolfgang59
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    08 Feb '16 10:21
    Originally posted by joe beyser
    Many of the French WW2 military surplus rifles were sold in the US and advertised as "never been fired and only dropped once".LOL
    Dr Frankenstein is looking for a brain for his creation. He sends out Igor to do
    the shopping and Igor returns:
    "Master - I can get a French brain for 1,000 Euro or an American brain for 10,000 Euro"
    Why the price difference asks the doctor.
    "Master - the American brains have hardly been used."
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    08 Feb '16 10:36
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    "When in England , at a fairly large conference,

    Colin Powell was asked by the Archbishop of Canterbury
    if our plans for Iraq were just an example of
    'empire building' by George Bush.

    He answered by saying,
    "Over the years, the United States has sent many of
    its fine young men and women into great peril to fight for
    freedom beyond our border ...[text shortened]... t did not return."

    You could have heard a pin drop."

    (to be continued)
    _________________
    Isn't Rectum Powell the one that bull shifted the UN about weapons of mass destruction to justify the war?
  12. Cape Town
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    08 Feb '16 10:39
    Originally posted by joe beyser
    Many of the French WW2 military surplus rifles were sold in the US and advertised as "never been fired and only dropped once".LOL
    Clearly an ignorant american joke. The reality of course is the complete opposite, the French were in the heart of the war and the US only stepped in at the very end and even then it was at a distance.
    I am also wondering where these 'French WW2 surplus military rifles' were manufactured. Are you saying the French were manufacturing enough rifles for export during the war?
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    08 Feb '16 11:03
    Originally posted by twhitehead
    Clearly an ignorant american joke. The reality of course is the complete opposite, the French were in the heart of the war and the US only stepped in at the very end and even then it was at a distance.
    I am also wondering where these 'French WW2 surplus military rifles' were manufactured. Are you saying the French were manufacturing enough rifles for export during the war?
    Don't be such a dillwapp!
  14. Cape Town
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    09 Feb '16 08:561 edit
    Originally posted by Grampy Bobby
    The only amount of land we have ever asked for in return
    is enough to bury those that did not return."
    Most US wars have nothing to do with wanting land. Apart from fighting over oil (almost all conflict in the Middle East), fighting over ideology (almost every conflict with 'communists' ), there is also the drive to war for the sake of making money for arms manufacturers and other businesses that profit from war.
    Grampy would do well to watch this:
    YouTube

    At the end, you will be able to hear a pin drop.
  15. Cape Town
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    09 Feb '16 09:41
    Originally posted by joe beyser
    Don't be such a dillwapp!
    Well at least I don't make jokes that depend on a falsehood for their punchline.
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