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  1. 05 Oct '16 03:09 / 2 edits
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3821680/Bill-Clinton-attacks-Obamacare-crazy-claims-killing-small-business-people.html

    Bill Clinton lambasted President Barack Obama's signature law as 'the craziest thing in the world' on Monday.
    The poor and the elderly are getting a good deal, the former Oval Office occupant said of Obamacare.
    'The people who are getting killed in this deal are small business people and individuals who make just a little too much to get any of these subsidies,' he contended.

    The ex-president was campaigning in Flint, Michigan, for his wife when he tore down Obama'a health care law.
    'You’ve got this crazy system where all of a sudden 25 million more people have health care, and then the people who are out there busting it, sometimes 60 hours a week, wind up with their premiums doubled and their coverage cut in half and it’s the craziest thing in the world,' Clinton said.
    Hillary Clinton wants to expand Medicaid and Medicare. Under the current system, retirees become eligible for federally-funded health care when they turn 65.
    The Democratic presidential nominee says she wants to amend the program to allow Americans that are 10 years younger voluntarily participate.


    She was caught saying at a fundraiser that Obamacare 'has done a lot of good, but I’m gonna fix some of the things that need fixing. It’s like any other new program.'
    'We’ve got to make it work even better,' she said in leaked audio, released this week by hackers.
    In the Democratic primary Clinton assailed her opponent for proposing a Medicare-for-all program she said would significantly increase middle class Americans' tax burden.
    They announced a truce in July, with Clinton proposing an additional $40 billion in funding the program over the next 10 years.
    She also threw her support behind the creation of a 'public option' plan that would make the government an insurer in addition to private companies competing on the federal marketplace.

    Signature policy: The Affordable Care Act, nicknamed Obamacare, is seen by the president as the biggest single achievement of his presidency
    'The current system works fine if you're eligible for Medicaid, if you're a lower-income working person; if you're already on Medicare, or if you get enough subsidies on a modest income that you can afford your health care,' Bill Clinton asserted in his Monday speech.
    The explainer-in-chief said too many Americans are being left in the cold.
    The White House said Tuesday it wished Clinton hadn't described the health care system the way he did.
    'It's not exactly clear to me what argument he was making, and so I'll let him and his team explain that,' Press Secretary Josh Earnest told reporters.
    Obama's spokesman said, 'The president's quite proud of the accomplishment of the Affordable Care Act.
    'The American people benefit from the way the law has been implemented in terms of expanding coverage; in terms of limiting the growth in but also in terms of the many consumer protections that people who already had health insurance in the past now benefit from.'

    Hillary Clinton was caught saying at a fundraiser that Obamacare 'has done a lot of good, but I’m gonna fix some of the things that need fixing. It’s like any other new program'
    The president readily acknowledges 'there are some things that could be done to further strengthen the law,' Earnest said, and supports Hillary Clinton's pursuit of those reforms.
    Angel Urena, spokesman to Bill Clinton, told DailyMail.com that the former president’s remarks were ‘taken out of context.’
    'While he was slightly short-handed, it's clear to everyone, including President Obama, that improvements are needed,' Urena said.
    Donald Trump has pledged to entirely abolish the Affordable Care Act, in common with the Republicans' plan in Congress.
    He railed against Bill at a Tuesday rally, arguing that the former president 'came out and told the truth about Obamacare.
    'He's absolutely trashed President Obama's signature legislation,' Trump said.
    Trump said Clinton likely put her husband Bill 'through hell' after he called it 'the craziest thing in the world.'
    'And she wants to double down on Obamacare! I bet he went through hell last night,' the Republican presidential nominee told a packed arena in Prescott Valley, Arizona.
    'Can you imagine? Can you imagine what he went through after making that statement? He went through hell.'
    'But honestly,' Trump added, 'there have been many nights when he's gone through hell with Hillary.'
    Hillary Clinton says she'll work to improve Obamacare in Feb


    Bill had brought up Trump on Monday as he said, ‘We got to figure out now what to do on healthcare. Her opponent said, "Oh, just repeal it all. The market will take care of it." That didn't work out very well for us, did it? We wound up with the most expensive system in the world and we insured the smallest percentage of people.’
    Clinton said the simplest way to fix the system would be to ‘figure out an affordable rate and let people use that.'
    Insurers are overcharging in case they get ‘unlucky’ and lose money, he stated.
    ‘It doesn't make any sense. The insurance model doesn't work here; it's not like life insurance, it's not like casualties, it's not like predicting flooding. It doesn't work.
    'So Hillary believes we should simply let people who are above the line for getting these subsidies have access to affordable entry into the Medicare and Medicaid programs,' he said. 'They'll all be covered, it will not hurt the program, we will not lose a lot of money. And we ought to do it.’
    White House has not yet decided to fight Obamacare court ruling


    His attack on Obamacare came at the start of a campaign swing for his wife.
    It is designed to shore up support for his who has been consistently behind in the polls in the state, which has been a must-win for the victor in every presidential election since 1964.
    The ex-president had until now been largely kept on the sidelines of his wife's campaign, but is seen as able to reach the white male voters she is struggling to engage.
    However his attack on Obamacare may trigger concern in his wife's campaign.
    Although initially she had intended to keep her distance from Obama to avoid being seen as seeking a third term to his two, in recent weeks she has embraced his support and proclaimed herself as running as his heir.
    Any suggestion of a re-appearance of the sort of tension between her husband and Obama which happened in the final weeks of her failed 2008 campaign for the Democratic nomination would be a distraction from her current strategy.
    In 2008 Bill was a high-profile advocate for his wife but made a series of attacks on Obama, one of which was criticized as being racially loaded.
    He said of Obama's performance in South Carolina: 'Jesse Jackson won South Carolina in '84 and '88. Jackson ran a good campaign. And Obama ran a good campaign here.'
  2. Subscriber kmax87
    You've got Kevin
    05 Oct '16 05:32
    Originally posted by whodey
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3821680/Bill-Clinton-attacks-Obamacare-crazy-claims-killing-small-business-people.html

    Bill Clinton lambasted President Barack Obama's signature law as 'the craziest thing in the world' on Monday.
    The poor and the elderly are getting a good deal, the former Oval Office occupant said of Obamacare.
    'The people who ar ...[text shortened]... South Carolina in '84 and '88. Jackson ran a good campaign. And Obama ran a good campaign here.'
    Hey Whodey, I've been watching a lot of Fox lately, so my attention span's absolutely zero. Who's the OP about?.

    Bill?
    Hillary?
    Obama?
    Trump?

    If I know who its about I can make sense of it, otherwise it's just two old white guys making dicks of themselves...
  3. Subscriber Suzianne
    Misfit Queen
    05 Oct '16 07:08
    Originally posted by whodey
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3821680/Bill-Clinton-attacks-Obamacare-crazy-claims-killing-small-business-people.html

    Bill Clinton lambasted President Barack Obama's signature law as 'the craziest thing in the world' on Monday.
    The poor and the elderly are getting a good deal, the former Oval Office occupant said of Obamacare.
    'The people who ar ...[text shortened]... South Carolina in '84 and '88. Jackson ran a good campaign. And Obama ran a good campaign here.'
    Was this story found between stories about the Kardashians?
  4. 05 Oct '16 11:41
    For the reading impaired, i.e Dimocrats, I've reduced the entire article down to a sentence.

    Here is what Bill Clinton says about Obamacare

    You’ve got this crazy system where all of a sudden 25 million more people have health care, and then the people who are out there busting it, sometimes 60 hours a week, wind up with their premiums doubled and their coverage cut in half and it’s the craziest thing in the world,' Clinton

    So all of those threads where I claimed that Obamacare was unaffordable for many Americans and was called a liar, especially from Marauder, well guess what, Bill Clinton agrees with me.

    Go figure.
  5. 05 Oct '16 11:48 / 2 edits
    Here is an article about Hillary supporting Obamacare

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/eric-zuesse/hillary-clinton-likes-oba_b_4881399.html

    Hillary Clinton has confirmed, to a paying audience of 20,000 sellers of electronic health records systems, that she supports Obamacare, and opposes single-payer health insurance.

    Speaking to a closed-to-the-press meeting of the “HIMSS14” (Healthcare Information and Management Systems Conference 2014) in Orlando Florida on February 26th, she condemned the Canadian and other nations’ single-payer healthcare systems by saying, “We don’t have one size fits all; our country is quite diverse. What works in New York City won’t work in Albuquerque.”

    Look Dims, an article from the Huffington Post, the source of all truthiness.

    But I'm sure if you ask Hillary Clinton today, her position has "evolved" to one of supporting a single payer system. Just a guess.
  6. 05 Oct '16 11:52
    Actually, the Clintons should be in jail just for supporting a system that has robbed millions of Americans of affordable health care as they supported a vast lie

    Now these same people want to parrot a single payer system?

    Don't think so.
  7. Subscriber mchill
    Infinitorum
    05 Oct '16 12:07 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by whodey
    For the reading impaired, i.e Dimocrats, I've reduced the entire article down to a sentence.

    Here is what Bill Clinton says about Obamacare

    You’ve got this crazy system where all of a sudden 25 million more people have health care, and then the people who are out there busting it, sometimes 60 hours a week, wind up with their premiums doubled and their ...[text shortened]... ed a liar, especially from Marauder, well guess what, Bill Clinton agrees with me.

    Go figure.
    The affordable care act is by no means perfect, but getting anything like this through a congress hell bent on opposing anything but the status quo was an impressive achievement. The bottom line is millions of people who badly needed health care coverage now have it. Obama care needs some fixes, but it's still far better than the GOP's plan of scrapping it, with no clue about what to replace it with.

    It's amazing to me how cold and uncaring Americans can be to their fellow citizens. Americans are so concerned about children when they are in a mothers body, unborn, yet care nothing about these same kids once they are born. They believe so strongly in a healthcare system made up of HMO's, Insurance Company's, medical clinic's, and pharmaceutical company's, who's only concern is making a profit. Ask most Americans to pay an extra penny in taxes, or make any adjustment to this profit driven system to save the life of a fellow American in need of a life saving operation, and they cry SOCIALISM" It's easy to sit on the sidelines and criticize and name call WHODEY but I've yet to hear you offer a solution to anything!
  8. 05 Oct '16 12:13 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by mchill
    The affordable care act is by no means perfect, but getting anything like this through a congress hell bent on opposing anything but the status quo was an impressive achievement. The bottom line is millions of people who badly needed health care coverage now have it. Obama care needs some fixes, but it's still far better than the GOP's plan of scrapping it, w ...[text shortened]... elines and criticize and name call WHODEY but I've yet to hear you offer a solution to anything!
    Getting Obamacare through a democratically controlled Congress was an achievement?

    All you had to do was convince Democratic Congressmen like Denis Kucinich to go along with it who called it a bail out for American insurance companies and said it was horrible.

    It was passed by all Democrats, not one Republican voted for it.

    Now these very same people want to sell us a single payer system even though the ink is not dry on Obamacare?

    WTF?

    Speaking of unborn children, I was talking to a lady who had full health coverage and she said that when she went to the hospital to have her kid, she came out with about $5000 in medical bills.

    Where in the hell is accountability in this country?
  9. Subscriber mchill
    Infinitorum
    05 Oct '16 12:16 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by whodey
    Getting Obamacare through a democratically controlled Congress was an achievement?

    All you had to do was convince Democratic Congressmen like Denis Kucinich to go along with it who called it a bail out for American insurance companies and said it was horrible.

    It was passed by all Democrats, not one Republican voted for it.

    Now these very same people ...[text shortened]... t when she went to the hospital to have her kid, she came out with about $5000 in medical bills.
    It was passed by all Democrats, not one Republican voted for it.

    Now that you've told us what we already know, I'm still waiting to hear your solution to all this. And waiting, and waiting, and waiting...
  10. 05 Oct '16 12:23
    Originally posted by mchill
    It was passed by all Democrats, not one Republican voted for it.

    Now that you've told us what we already know, I'm still waiting to hear your solution to all this. And waiting, and waiting, and waiting...
    I reject a one size fits all perfect system. No such system exists.

    It is interesting that during the time when the Dims were trying to gather votes to pass Obamacare, Senator Kennedy died whose vote was needed. The people of MA then elected a Republican to replace him as he ran on a platform of voting against Obamacare.

    For you see, as liberal as the state of MA was, they were happy with their health care and did not want it messed with, so they voted for the first Republican in decades in that state.

    His vote should have stopped the legislation, but the Dims, being Dims, bypassed the Constitutional system with Reconciliation and passed it anyway.

    So what am I saying? I'm saying that states are perfectly capable of coming up with their own health care system. We can then look at how each state tackles the problem and pick and choose what works and what does not instead of putting all our eggs into one failed system, only to adopt another.
  11. Standard member sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    05 Oct '16 13:10
    Originally posted by whodey
    I reject a one size fits all perfect system. No such system exists.

    It is interesting that during the time when the Dims were trying to gather votes to pass Obamacare, Senator Kennedy died whose vote was needed. The people of MA then elected a Republican to replace him as he ran on a platform of voting against Obamacare.

    For you see, as liberal as th ...[text shortened]... and what does not instead of putting all our eggs into one failed system, only to adopt another.
    Of course you neglect to point out the Obama care act was exactly what Rebubs touted years earlier but failed to pass. So when Dems pass it, all of a sudden it's a pariah.

    How ConVENient.
  12. 05 Oct '16 13:18 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    Of course you neglect to point out the Obama care act was exactly what Rebubs touted years earlier but failed to pass. So when Dems pass it, all of a sudden it's a pariah.

    How ConVENient.
    My post was not an attempt to defend the GOP in any way. The entire Federal system is one in the same no matter the party. After all, the GOP showed us what they were all about by nominating Trump.

    My post was not even predicated on the naive assumption that we can do anything about it, for we are all now prisoners of the top down system created by Progressives.

    Now we are their slaves. I'm just pointing it out to everyone.

    Then again, there is one hope which is the Article V movement that seeks to return power back to the states where it was originally intended to be. Amending the Constitution is pretty much the only hope, as faint as that hope might be.
  13. Subscriber mchill
    Infinitorum
    05 Oct '16 13:31
    Originally posted by whodey
    I reject a one size fits all perfect system. No such system exists.

    It is interesting that during the time when the Dims were trying to gather votes to pass Obamacare, Senator Kennedy died whose vote was needed. The people of MA then elected a Republican to replace him as he ran on a platform of voting against Obamacare.

    For you see, as liberal as th ...[text shortened]... and what does not instead of putting all our eggs into one failed system, only to adopt another.
    I reject a one size fits all perfect system. No such system exists.

    In other words: "I don't have a clue what to do about this problem, but I'm going to sit on my butt and criticize those that are trying to solve the problem" OK...I've got it now.
  14. 05 Oct '16 13:33
    Originally posted by mchill
    I reject a one size fits all perfect system. No such system exists.

    In other words: "I don't have a clue what to do about this problem, but I'm going to sit on my butt and criticize those that are trying to solve the problem" OK...I've got it now.
    No, in other words, no one person is as smart as everyone.

    The more people we get involved in finding solutions the better. The less people we have involved the less democratic the system becomes.
  15. Standard member vivify
    rain
    05 Oct '16 14:15 / 3 edits
    Originally posted by whodey
    For the reading impaired, i.e Dimocrats, I've reduced the entire article down to a sentence.

    Here is what Bill Clinton says about Obamacare

    You’ve got this crazy system where all of a sudden 25 million more people have health care, and then the people who are out there busting it, sometimes 60 hours a week, wind up with their premiums doubled and their ...[text shortened]... ed a liar, especially from Marauder, well guess what, Bill Clinton agrees with me.

    Go figure.
    If what Bill says is true, it's a fair point. However, this kind of measured logic isn't what was being presented by Republicans. Instead of an intelligent breakdown of their disagreements, Reps were saying it's the worst bill since slavery, or the worst act passed in human history---those are actual statements from conservatives.

    Furthermore, Obama made an open invitation to Republicans to help improve the bill, saying he wasn't "married" to any specific aspect of the bill. Republicans refused this gracious offer to continue opposing him, just because he's Obama.

    In short, Republicans had more than enough time to present arguments devoid of hysteria, vitriol and nonsensical logic; instead, they chose to ignore submitting ideas to help improve the bill, to shut down the government, set record filibusters, and indulge in general pathetic displays of idiocy.