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  1. 24 Jan '10 15:58 / 1 edit
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100124/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_al_qaida_airline_attack

    CAIRO – Osama bin Laden claimed responsibility for the attempt to bomb a Detroit-bound airliner on Christmas in a new audio message released Sunday threatening more attacks on the United States.

    A senior U.S. intelligence official in Washington said there is "no evidence whatsoever" that bin Laden had any involvement on the Christmas Day attack — or even knew about it beforehand. The message suggests the al-Qaida leader wants to appear in direct command of the terrorist group's many affiliates around the world at a time when some analysts have suggested he is mostly a figurehead.

    In the minute-long recording carried by Al-Jazeera Arabic news channel, bin Laden addressed President Barack Obama saying the Christmas attack was meant to send a message similar to that of the Sept. 11 attacks.

    "The message delivered to you through the plane of the heroic warrior Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab was a confirmation of the previous messages sent by the heroes of the Sept. 11," he said. "America will never dream of security unless we will have it in reality in Palestine," he added.

    "God willing, our raids on you will continue as long as your support for the Israelis continues."

    On Christmas Day, Nigerian Abdulmutallab attempted to blow up his Northwest Airlines flight as it approached Detroit Metro Airport. But the explosive powder he was hiding in his underwear failed to detonate.

    He told federal agents shortly afterward that he had been trained and given the explosives by al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula, an al-Qaida affiliate in Yemen.

    The U.S. intelligence official said the Yemen-based group is linked with the central al-Qaida group that bin Laden heads and recent intelligence indicates there are ongoing contacts between al-Qaida in Yemen and Pakistan. He spoke on condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the information.

    Bin Laden's message, coming long after AQAP gave its own claim of responsibility, appears to be an effort on his part to stay relevant, said Rohan Gunaratna, author of "Inside Al Qaeda: Global Network of Terror."

    "The training and the definition of the attack was by the local leaders of al-Qaida in the Arabian Peninsula, so in many ways you can say bin Laden is exploiting for his benefit this particular attack," he said. "Bin Laden still wants to claim leadership for the global jihad movement."

    Of all the various offshoots and branches of al-Qaida around the world, Gunaratna said the group in Yemen is one of the closest to bin Laden since it is made up of bodyguards and associates of the organization's top ideologues. Yemen is bin Laden's ancestral homeland.

    "Today the operational relationship has somewhat suffered, but the ideological relationship is very strong and that is why bin Laden claimed this attack," Gunaratna said.

    Two of the group's top members were former detainees released in November 2007 from the U.S. military prison Guantanamo Bay.

    Since the Christmas Day attempt, the Yemeni government, at the U.S.'s urging has stepped up its attacks on the group's hideouts in the rugged country's remote hinterland.

    Analysts have long debated how much control bin Laden, who is believed to be somewhere in Afghanistan-Pakistan border region, really has over the various organizations using his group's name.

    The Yemen-based group, however, has closer ties than most to bin Laden and his key lieutenants, many having once been their bodyguards.

    There was no way to confirm the voice on the audio message was actually that of bin Laden, but it resembled previous recordings attributed to him.

    The U.S. says it can't immediately authenticate the message but White House adviser David Axelrod told CNN's "State of the Union" that whatever the source, the message "contains the same hollow justification for the mass slaughter of innocents."

    In the past year, bin Laden's messages have concentrated heavily on the situation of the Palestinians in attempt to rally support from Muslims around the world.

    Some analysts say bin Laden is focusing on the close U.S.-Israeli relationship because he is worried about Obama's popularity across the Middle East with his promises to withdraw from Iraq and because his father was a Muslim from the African nation of Kenya.

    The plight of the Palestinians, especially in the blockaded Gaza Strip where 1,400 were killed in an Israeli offensive a year ago, angers many in the Arab world.

    "The Palestinian conflict was never part of the al-Qaida original mandate, but Osama is clearly exploiting it," Gunaratna said.

    Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman Andy David dismissed the latest al-Qaida message and its attempt to link Israel with attacks on the U.S.

    "This is nothing new. He has said this before," he said. "Terrorists always look for absurd excuses for their despicable deeds."

    The last public message from bin Laden appears to have been on Sept. 26, when he demanded that European countries pull their troops out of Afghanistan. The order came in an audiotape that also warned of "retaliation" against nations that are allied with the United States in fighting the war.

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    Associated Press Writers Lara Jakes and Salah Nasrawi in Cairo and Ian Deitch in Jerusalem contributed to this report.


    So... is this really the work of Bin Laden or is he just trying to take credit for any high profile attack? If he is lying what does this tell us?

    I'm inclined to believe he is lying. It would just seem strange that an attempt so small and feeble would come from him. In the middle east even lowly copycats are pretty good at blowing stuff up. This attack really amounts to some naive Nigerian kid lighting his d*** on fire.
  2. Standard member adam warlock
    Baby Gauss
    24 Jan '10 16:18
    Originally posted by USArmyParatrooper
    So... is this really the work of Bin Laden or is he just trying to take credit for any high profile attack? If he is lying what does this tell us?

    I'm inclined to believe he is lying. It would just seem strange that an attempt so small and feeble would come from him. In the middle east even lowly copycats are pretty good at blowing stuff up. This attack really amounts to some naive Nigerian kid lighting his d*** on fire.
    The most likely event is that bin Laden is dead for some 5 years now.

    And another tidbit: AlQaead doesn't existed until 2001, in 2005 there was no trace of such an organization and untill 2007 it didn't exist almost for sure.

    If it exists by now, it isn't that centralized, organized, and organizing body that the media likes to portray.
  3. Standard member adam warlock
    Baby Gauss
    24 Jan '10 16:30
    And even these conservatives know better than this:

    http://spectator.org/archives/2009/03/13/osama-bin-elvis/
    http://spectator.org/archives/2009/03/13/osama-bin-elvis/1

    The text is from last year but will be applicable for a long time.
  4. Standard member monster truck
    Walleye Guy
    24 Jan '10 17:05
    Originally posted by adam warlock


    And another tidbit: AlQaead doesn't existed until 2001, in 2005 there was no trace of such an organization and untill 2007 it didn't exist almost for sure.

    If it exists by now, it isn't that centralized, organized, and organizing body that the media likes to portray.
    ???


    Founding in Pakistan late 1988

    Notes of a meeting of bin Laden and others on August 20, 1988, indicate al-Qaeda was a formal group by that time: "basically an organized Islamic faction, its goal is to lift the word of God, to make His religion victorious." A list of requirements for membership itemized the following: listening ability, good manners, obedience and making a pledge (bayat) to follow one's superiors.[29]

    According to Wright, the group's real name wasn't used in public pronouncements because "its existence was still a closely held secret."[30] His research suggests that al-Qaeda was formed at an August 11, 1988, meeting between "several senior leaders" of Egyptian Islamic Jihad, Abdullah Azzam, and Osama bin Laden, where it was agreed to join bin Laden's money with the expertise of the Islamic Jihad organization and take up the jihadist cause elsewhere after the Soviets withdrew from Afghanistan.[31]
  5. 24 Jan '10 18:06
    This Nigerian kid amounts to new directives by al-Qaeda, al-Wawlaki, et al to circumvent current security measures set up to protect the US. Until we use common sense to fight terrorists, we can only rely on uncommon luck, like this idiot burning his "Johnson", to keep us safe...
  6. 24 Jan '10 18:18
    Abdulmutallab told FBI agents of a sinister network in Yemen who are ready and waiting to strike. The Sun verified that "cops fear that 25 British-born Muslims are plotting to bomb Western airliners. The fanatics, in five groups, are now training at secret terror camps in Yemen." Perhaps Abdulmutallab was an experiment, a test, for future attacks.

    The British extremists in Yemen are in their early 20s and from Bradford, Luton and Leytonstone, East London.

    They are due to return to the UK early in 2010 and will then await internet instructions from al-Qaeda on when to strike.

    A Scotland Yard source said: "The great fear is Abdulmutallab is the first of many ready to attack planes and kill tens of thousands.

    "We know there are four or five radicalised British Muslim cells in the Yemen.

    http://righttruth.typepad.com/right_truth/2009/12/organized-and-launched-by-al-qaeda-leaders-in-yemen.html
  7. 24 Jan '10 18:25
    Well, I wouldn't be surprised if he was lying.

    part of their strategy is to make people think they're behind every act of lunacy in the world, when they're incapable of doing that.
  8. 24 Jan '10 18:53
    Bin Laden has probably been dead since Dec 2001.
  9. 24 Jan '10 19:03 / 3 edits
    I reminds me of the first bombing of the twin towers. It was a feeble attempt that caused hardly any damage or physical harm. In fact, it was thought only to be a few local nut cases, however, it is only when they bring both towers down that they begin to be taken seriously as a threat. There was even a big time gap between bombing #1 and bombing #2 of about 8 years or so but I think there is no doubt that the two were connected in some way. However, even if they were not connected, what does it matter? What does it matter if Bin Laden is the "master mind"?
  10. 24 Jan '10 19:13
    Originally posted by Sam The Sham
    Bin Laden has probably been dead since Dec 2001.
    So he either 1. came back from the dead
    or 2. has a twin brother who happens to be in the family business
    or 3. he is still alive.


    hmm, its hard to decide...
  11. 24 Jan '10 19:46 / 3 edits
    Originally posted by generalissimo
    So he either 1. came back from the dead
    or 2. has a twin brother who happens to be in the family business
    or 3. he is still alive.


    hmm, its hard to decide...
    Nah he hasn't been seen since dec 2001 general. If he didn't die then he most assuredly died a few years later, he was suffering from advanced kidney failure.
    Google it for yourself.
  12. Standard member adam warlock
    Baby Gauss
    24 Jan '10 21:15
    Originally posted by monster truck
    ???


    Founding in Pakistan late 1988

    Notes of a meeting of bin Laden and others on August 20, 1988, indicate al-Qaeda was a formal group by that time: "basically an organized Islamic faction, its goal is to lift the word of God, to make His religion victorious." A list of requirements for membership itemized the following: listening ability, good ...[text shortened]... take up the jihadist cause elsewhere after the Soviets withdrew from Afghanistan.[31]
    AlQaeda certainly had nothing formal or central in it by 2005 at least.
  13. 24 Jan '10 23:06 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by whodey
    I reminds me of the first bombing of the twin towers. It was a feeble attempt that caused hardly any damage or physical harm. In fact, it was thought only to be a few local nut cases, however, it is only when they bring both towers down that they begin to be taken seriously as a threat. There was even a big time gap between bombing #1 and bombing #2 of abo ...[text shortened]... re not connected, what does it matter? What does it matter if Bin Laden is the "master mind"?
    The first Twin tower bomber, is related to the guy we're putting on trial now in NYC.
    SKM is Ramsi Yuisefs Uncle.
    Sorry, if I got the spelling wrong.
    Experts say, if that van had been parked just a little closer to a structural beam, it would have brought the tower down. However the gas they planned to killed people with, was destroyed by the explosion.
  14. 24 Jan '10 23:21
    Originally posted by Hugh Glass
    The first Twin tower bomber, is related to the guy we're putting on trial now in NYC.
    SKM is Ramsi Yuisefs Uncle.
    Sorry, if I got the spelling wrong.
    Experts say, if that van had been parked just a little closer to a structural beam, it would have brought the tower down. However the gas they planned to killed people with, was destroyed by the explosion.
    Who was responsible for the attack on the USS Cole in 2000?
  15. 25 Jan '10 17:08
    Originally posted by Sam The Sham
    Nah he hasn't been seen since dec 2001 general. If he didn't die then he most assuredly died a few years later, he was suffering from advanced kidney failure.
    Google it for yourself.
    There is a reason why he hasn't been seen since 2001, he wants to avoid capture.