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  1. Standard membersh76
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    04 Aug '16 12:511 edit
    https://policy.m4bl.org/

    Some highlights:


    "An end to money bail, mandatory fines, fees, court surcharges and “defendant funded” court proceedings."
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    Reparations for the systemic denial of access to high quality educational opportunities in the form of full and free access for all Black people (including undocumented and currently and formerly incarcerated people) to lifetime education including: free access and open admissions to public community colleges and universities, technical education (technology, trade and agricultural), educational support programs, retroactive forgiveness of student loans, and support for lifetime learning programs.

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    Reparations for the continued divestment from, discrimination toward and exploitation of our communities in the form of a guaranteed minimum livable income for all Black people, with clearly articulated corporate regulations.
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    Funding for cultural assets and sacred sites such as Black burial grounds; Black towns (e.g. Mound Bayou, Mississippi); houses of worship; meeting halls; one-room schools; and other significant institutions that speak to the triumphant quest of a determined people to create a new African community in this hostile land.
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    This includes the immediate passage of H.R.40, the “Commission to Study Reparation Proposals for African-Americans Act” or subsequent versions which call for reparations remedies.
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    The retroactive decriminalization, immediate release and record expungement of all drug related offenses and prostitution, and reparations for the devastating impact of the “war on drugs” and criminalization of prostitution, including a reinvestment of the resulting savings and revenue into restorative services, mental health services, job programs and other programs supporting those impacted by the sex and drug trade.
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    Real, meaningful, and equitable universal health care that guarantees: proximity to nearby comprehensive health centers, culturally competent services for all people, specific services for queer, gender nonconforming, and trans people, full bodily autonomy, full reproductive services, mental health services, paid parental leave, and comprehensive quality child and elder care.
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    A constitutional right at the state and federal level to a fully-funded education which includes a clear articulation of the right to: a free education for all, special protections for queer and trans students, wrap around services, social workers, free health services (including reproductive body autonomy), a curriculum that acknowledges and addresses students’ material and cultural needs, physical activity and recreation, high quality food, free daycare, and freedom from unwarranted search, seizure or arrest.
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    A divestment from industrial multinational use of fossil fuels and investment in community- based sustainable energy solutions.
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    Federal and state job programs that specifically target the most economically marginalized Black people, and compensation for those involved in the care economy. Job programs must provide a living wage and encourage support for local workers centers, unions, and Black-owned businesses which are accountable to the community.
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    An end to the Trans-Pacific Partnership and a renegotiation of all trade agreements to prioritize the interests of workers and communities.
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    We should develop and pass a $2 to $4 trillion policy that would both create government jobs for Black workers, and subsidize businesses to hire Black workers.
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    We are calling for the release of all political prisoners held in the U.S. and the removal of legitimate freedom fighters from the International Terrorists list. Additionally, we call on Congress to hold hearings on the impact of COINTELPRO as the Church Committee hearings in 1975 did not offer remedies to individuals and communities negatively impacted by this government initiative.
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    Expand nationwide federal programs that provide affordable or free Internet for residents of public housing.
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    Protection and increased funding for Black institutions including Historically Black Colleges and Universities (HBCU’s), Black media and cultural, political and social formations.
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    etc.


    I thought this organization was supposed to be about protecting black lives. When did it morph into an organization for demanding the enactment of a left wing radical agenda in all walks of life?

    Rather than "Black Lives Matter" this organization should just be called "Gimme Gimme Gimme."
  2. Unknown Territories
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    04 Aug '16 12:54
    Originally posted by sh76
    https://policy.m4bl.org/

    Some highlights:

    [quote]
    "An end to money bail, mandatory fines, fees, court surcharges and “defendant funded” court proceedings."
    ...
    Reparations for the systemic denial of access to high quality educational opportunities in the form of full and free access for all Black people (including undocumented and currently and formerl ...[text shortened]...

    Rather than "Black Lives Matter" this organization should just be called "Gimme Gimme Gimme."
    Or, alternatively, "Take, take, take."
  3. Standard membersh76
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    04 Aug '16 12:552 edits
    I wonder if the BLM leadership supported Hillary instead of Bernie (I'm sure there's a way to find out, but I'm too lazy to really work on it). I do seem to remember BLM treating Bernie pretty badly at various points.

    If they think that Hillary is going to be better for their left-wing-nut agenda than Bernie would, they're smoking too much of the stuff they demand be legalized.
  4. Subscriberno1marauder
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    04 Aug '16 13:221 edit
    Originally posted by sh76
    https://policy.m4bl.org/

    Some highlights:

    [quote]
    "An end to money bail, mandatory fines, fees, court surcharges and “defendant funded” court proceedings."
    ...
    Reparations for the systemic denial of access to high quality educational opportunities in the form of full and free access for all Black people (including undocumented and currently and formerl ...[text shortened]...

    Rather than "Black Lives Matter" this organization should just be called "Gimme Gimme Gimme."
    Come on, sh, that isn't Black Lives Matter's website; it's a complete different organization that says right on the top right hand side The Movement for Black Lives.

    Since when have you gotten so incredibly careless (you quickly bailed on the Israeli appointed Druze mayor supporting the Israeli occupation of the Golan Heights)? You must have been around whodey too much.
  5. Subscriberno1marauder
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    04 Aug '16 13:36
    This article explains the genesis of the Movement for Black Lives and makes clear it goes well beyond what the most prominent activists in BLM propose: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2016/08/movement-black-lives-platform/494309/

    For example:

    One Black Lives Matter-affiliated group with an existing, nationally recognized platform was not among the signatories of the Movement for Black Lives platform. Campaign ZERO, whose planning team includes the well-known activists Johnetta Elzie, DeRay McKesson, Sam Sinyangwe, and Brittany Packnett, released a platform in August of 2015 that focused mostly on criminal-justice reforms—including calls for body cameras and community policing—and has since influenced the Democratic Party’s own platform. Their vision diverges from that of the Movement for Black Lives policy, especially on issues like body cameras, which the platform holds as one of several “technologies that criminalize and target our communities.”
  6. Subscriberno1marauder
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    04 Aug '16 13:42
    Originally posted by sh76
    https://policy.m4bl.org/

    Some highlights:

    [quote]
    "An end to money bail, mandatory fines, fees, court surcharges and “defendant funded” court proceedings."
    ...
    Reparations for the systemic denial of access to high quality educational opportunities in the form of full and free access for all Black people (including undocumented and currently and formerl ...[text shortened]...

    Rather than "Black Lives Matter" this organization should just be called "Gimme Gimme Gimme."
    Quite frankly, given the continued effects of endemic racism in the US on blacks, a lot of that program makes sense. Maybe spending money on those type of programs might be more socially useful than militarizing the police, building more prisons and bombing and/or invading Country A-ZZ..

    Crazy thought, huh?
  7. Standard membersh76
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    04 Aug '16 14:07
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    Come on, sh, that isn't Black Lives Matter's website; it's a complete different organization that says right on the top right hand side The Movement for Black Lives.

    Since when have you gotten so incredibly careless (you quickly bailed on the Israeli appointed Druze mayor supporting the Israeli occupation of the Golan Heights)? You must have been around whodey too much.
    On the Druze issue, I did check around. There are tons of sites telling us how happy the Druze are under Israeli rule but they're all Israeli sites and tons of sites telling us how miserable they are but those are all Intifada type sites. The neutral stories all link to one of the above. I can't honestly argue the issue because I can't find any neutral sources on how the Druze really feel (even your posts did show some Druze satisfaction with Israeli control, albeit perhaps less than the pro-Israel sources implied) so unless I'm going to do to the Golan and start interviewing people, I'm not going to try to debate it. I'm not conceding that you're right and I'm not maintaining my position because I don't see neutral sources.

    As for the OP, I was lead to that site by the NY Times.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2016/08/02/us/politics/black-lives-matter-campaign.html

    More than 60 organizations associated with the Black Lives Matter movement have released a series of demands on Monday, including for reparations.

    The list of six platform demands is aimed at furthering their goals as the presidential campaign heads into the homestretch.


    The words "list of six platform demands" hyperlinked to https://policy.m4bl.org/, which is the site I quoted.

    The title of the article is "Black Lives Matter Coalition Makes Demands as Campaign Heats Up."

    So unless the NY Times is also "so incredibly careless," there seems to be a connection between BLM and the list of demands.
  8. Subscriberno1marauder
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    04 Aug '16 14:202 edits
    Originally posted by sh76
    On the Druze issue, I did check around. There are tons of sites telling us how happy the Druze are under Israeli rule but they're all Israeli sites and tons of sites telling us how miserable they are but those are all Intifada type sites. The neutral stories all link to one of the above. I can't honestly argue the issue because I can't find any neutral sources ...[text shortened]... o "so incredibly careless," there seems to be a connection between BLM and the list of demands.
    Your first paragraph is disingenuous; I provided links to Israeli news reports conceding that the vast majority of the Druze maintained allegiance to Syria and wanted the Heights returned to that country. Maybe that's why 48 years after the Occupation and 35 years after they were offered Israeli citizenship, less than 10% have accepted it. Besides, your thread was premised on the belief that the particular Mayor was a legitimate spokesman for the Druze and the fact that he isn't elected by them but appointed by Israeli officials makes that claim rather ludicrous.

    Yes, the NYT article is careless. I wouldn't be surprised to see a correction.

    There's a list of Member Organizations and endorsing organizations here: https://policy.m4bl.org/about/

    Most have nothing to do with BLM. The Black Lives Matter Network is included, but it is only one of many BLM groups, which are generally locally based and autonomous.
  9. Standard membervivify
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    04 Aug '16 14:26
    An end to defendant-funded lawyers is an interesting idea. If all lawyers were court-appointed, that would keep rich people from buying their way out of punishment for their crimes.

    Honestly, the prosecutor vs lawyer court system, with a judge as referee and an unskilled jury chosen from random people is flawed. Prosecutors and lawyers are inherently biased, which goes against the whole "Justice is Blind" mantra.
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    04 Aug '16 14:28
    Originally posted by sh76
    https://policy.m4bl.org/

    Some highlights:

    [quote]
    "An end to money bail, mandatory fines, fees, court surcharges and “defendant funded” court proceedings."
    ...
    Reparations for the systemic denial of access to high quality educational opportunities in the form of full and free access for all Black people (including undocumented and currently and formerl ...[text shortened]...

    Rather than "Black Lives Matter" this organization should just be called "Gimme Gimme Gimme."
    It's just like the NAACP, which became a partisan political tax exempt extension of the DNC.
  11. Standard membervivify
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    04 Aug '16 14:31
    Originally posted by whodey
    It's just like the NAACP, which became a partisan political tax exempt extension of the DNC.
    Is the KKK a tax-exempt extension of the RNC, or are they still working on it?
  12. Subscriberno1marauder
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    04 Aug '16 14:38
    Originally posted by vivify
    An end to defendant-funded lawyers is an interesting idea. If all lawyers were court-appointed, that would keep rich people from buying their way out of punishment for their crimes.

    Honestly, the prosecutor vs lawyer court system, with a judge as referee and an unskilled jury chosen from random people is flawed. Prosecutors and lawyers are inherently biased, which goes against the whole "Justice is Blind" mantra.
    You misunderstand what they proposed; they certainly did not call for the end of defense lawyers or for them to all be employees of the State. "Defendant funded court proceedings" refers to the practice of paying for the court system largely by the methods complained of: fines, court surcharges and the like.
  13. Standard membervivify
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    04 Aug '16 14:47
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    You misunderstand what they proposed; they certainly did not call for the end of defense lawyers or for them to all be employees of the State. "Defendant funded court proceedings" refers to the practice of paying for the court system largely by the methods complained of: fines, court surcharges and the like.
    Okay. Thanks for the correction.
  14. Behind the scenes
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    04 Aug '16 14:50
    Originally posted by sh76
    https://policy.m4bl.org/

    Some highlights:

    [quote]
    "An end to money bail, mandatory fines, fees, court surcharges and “defendant funded” court proceedings."
    ...
    Reparations for the systemic denial of access to high quality educational opportunities in the form of full and free access for all Black people (including undocumented and currently and formerl ...[text shortened]...

    Rather than "Black Lives Matter" this organization should just be called "Gimme Gimme Gimme."
    As a swing voter, I agree the left wing has bent over too far to appease African American voters, and some of this is just plain wasteful. On the other hand the right wing has generally been rather callous and uncaring regarding police brutality and outright murder at the hands of white police officers. The correct path (as usual) lies somewhere between the two.
  15. Standard membervivify
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    04 Aug '16 14:54
    Originally posted by mchill
    As a swing voter, I agree the left wing has bent over too far to appease African American voters, and some of this is just plain wasteful. On the other hand the right wing has generally been rather callous and uncaring regarding police brutality and outright murder at the hands of white police officers. The correct path (as usual) lies somewhere between the two.
    In what ways would you say the left has bent over too far to appease blacks? I'm not asking this to be argumentative, just for open dialogue.
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