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  1. 12 Jun '17 12:53 / 1 edit
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jun/11/bernie-sanders-ruled-out-public-service-by-christi/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS

    An extraordinary exchange took place this past week amid the hysteria surrounding former FBI Director James B. Comey’s impending testimony the next day before Congress.

    Sen. Bernie Sanders, the Vermont socialist who came close to denying Hillary Clinton the Democratic nomination for the presidency, essentially ruled out public service by Christians.

    Yes, he did. If you think this is an exaggeration, read on. The senator’s newly imposed and unconstitutional religious test for public office (see Article VI) emerged during a hearing for Russell Vought, President Trump’s nominee to be deputy director of the White House Office of Management and Budget.


    Referencing an article that Mr. Vought had written for a Christian publication in which he had stated that Muslims “do not know God because they have rejected Jesus Christ, His Son, and they stand condemned,” Mr. Sanders asked Mr. Vought, “Do you believe that that statement is Islamophobic?”

    Mr. Vought replied, “Absolutely not, Senator. I’m a Christian, and I believe in a Christian set of principles based on my faith.” He further explained that he was defending the beliefs held by his alma mater, Wheaton College. Mr. Sanders then pressed him repeatedly about whether he thought Muslims were “condemned” and followed by asking if Jews were similarly “condemned” and finally, “do you think that people who are not Christians are going to be condemned?”

    Without delving into bedrock Christian theology concerning salvation, Mr. Vought responded to the thrust of Mr. Sanders‘ inquiry, which was about how he would conduct himself as a public official:

    “As a Christian, I believe that all individuals are made in the image of God and are worthy of dignity and respect regardless of their religious beliefs. I believe that as a Christian that’s how I should treat all individuals.”

    Not good enough for Sen. Sanders. He can smell a conspiracy a mile away unless it’s something the Democratic Party cooked up about Russians hiding in a closet at the Trump campaign headquarters.

    “I would simply say, Mr. Chairman, that this nominee is really not someone who this country is supposed to be about. I will vote no,” Mr. Sanders intoned, thus “condemning” the nominee and millions of Bible-believing Christians to whatever Siberian hellhole they should be sent.

    The Sanders comments at the Budget Committee hearing are a snapshot of the totalitarian left’s view of the rest of America: Bow to our secular gods or else. Embrace moral relativism or else. Your acceptability depends on how closely you cleave to the Left’s pet views on a range of topics. The exception appears to be how they treat Islam. Can you picture Mr. Sanders asking a Muslim nominee, “Do you believe that people who reject Allah are ‘infidels’?” Don’t hold your breath.

    “Vought expressed entirely Orthodox Christian beliefs,” wrote David French at National Review. “There is nothing ‘extreme’ about his statements, and they mirror the statements of faith of countless Christian churches and schools across the land. Are these believers also not fit for public office?”

    Well, yes, as a matter of progressive dogma. And if we apply this retroactively, which the left increasingly does to trash America’s founders, then Scripture-quoting George Washington, the father of our country, would certainly fail the Sanders religious test. It wouldn’t matter that our first president wrote to the Jewish community of Newport, Rhode Island on August 18, 1790, to reassure them that they would be safe and free in America:

    “Happily the Government of the United States gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance … All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship.” Then he quoted Micah 4:4, assuring them that, “every one shall sit in safety under his own vine and fig tree and there shall be none to make him afraid.”

    I know, I know. Washington owned slaves, so we must discount the grand experiment that he unleashed which led irrevocably to the abolition of slavery in America and the greatest expansion of human liberty in history. But what’s he done for us lately?

    In their zeal to cleanse America of its heritage and moral foundations, leftists like Mr. Sanders are getting ever bolder. Their arrogance knows no bounds, as Christian blogger Lee Duigon deftly describes:

    “Those who wish to be as gods labor to force the rest of us to exalt them as all-wise, infallible, and the one and only source of righteousness. They explicitly deny that there is any truth but whatever they can impose on others. They erase history, creating mass amnesia. They invent new pronouns to erase the fact that there are but two sexes. They take good words, like ‘truth,’ ‘justice,’ and ‘love,’ and warp their meanings to fit in with their political agenda. And in the service of yet another idol, ‘diversity,’ they insist on uniformity of thought.”

    So, who’s good enough for Sen. Sanders? Perhaps he can find a worthy candidate somewhere in his bathroom mirror
  2. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    12 Jun '17 14:40
    Originally posted by whodey
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jun/11/bernie-sanders-ruled-out-public-service-by-christi/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS

    An extraordinary exchange took place this past week amid the hysteria surrounding former FBI Director James B. Comey’s impending testimony the next day before Congress.

    Sen. Bernie Sanders, the Vermont socialist who came ...[text shortened]... enough for Sen. Sanders? Perhaps he can find a worthy candidate somewhere in his bathroom mirror
    This is more whodeyian nonsense. A full discussion of the matter is here: http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/06/09/532116365/is-it-hateful-to-believe-in-hell-bernie-sanders-questions-prompt-backlash

    It seems Vought supported his alma mater's suspension of a professor for saying "Muslims and Christians worship the same God" by claiming ""Muslims do not simply have a deficient theology," Vought wrote. "They do not know God because they have rejected Jesus Christ his Son, and they stand condemned. "

    As Sanders' office explained:

    "The question at hand is not about Mr. Vought's freedom to hold certain religious beliefs," a spokesman for Sanders said. The spokesman said Vought's post expressed his views in an "inflammatory way" and said Sanders is concerned if Vought can "carry out the duties of his office in a way that treats all Americans equally."

    Moreover:

    Scott Simpson, public advocacy director for Muslim Advocates, defended Sanders' questions and said it's important to keep Vought's comments in context — both his original post and the broader political climate. "This isn't some personal expression of how he feels in his heart about theology," Simpson said. "This is the type of speech that was being used against somebody" to argue a professor should lose her job.

    He also says the Trump administration has a "pattern of appointments" of people with anti-Muslim views and rhetoric. "We're very sensitive to the concept of religious liberty, because Muslims' religious liberty is under attack every day," Simpson said. "But we're talking about something very specific. ... When a nominee calls the faith of millions of Americans deficient, that is something that should be questioned. That is what hearings are for."

    Meanwhile, James Zogby, president of the Arab American Institute, said the belief that vast swaths of people are damned might, in fact, be inherently problematic for certain government positions. "If [someone] believe these people are to be condemned ... is that the person who ought to be making budgetary decisions for the country as a whole?" asked Zogby, who is a Maronite Catholic. "Can you be a fair adjudicator of decisions?" he asked.

    So the issue is far more complicated than the right wing blogosphere has painted it. Oh, and most Christians don't believe any such thing: 66% of US Christians say many religions can lead to eternal life.
  3. 12 Jun '17 15:34
    Originally posted by whodey
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/jun/11/bernie-sanders-ruled-out-public-service-by-christi/?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS

    An extraordinary exchange took place this past week amid the hysteria surrounding former FBI Director James B. Comey’s impending testimony the next day before Congress.

    Sen. Bernie Sanders, the Vermont socialist who came ...[text shortened]... enough for Sen. Sanders? Perhaps he can find a worthy candidate somewhere in his bathroom mirror
    no he didn't, you freakin liar. he reacted to someone who claimed that any person besides christians is condemned. he asked, again and again, "do you think muslims, jews, hindus, atheists" are condemned to which that zealot insisted, like it's the most natural thing, that all people not sharing his spiritual beliefs, are condemned to an eternity of torment.


    he stopped his questioning and said he is going to vote no and this candidate, not on any and all future christians.


    i am not expecting you to recognize your lie. i am not trying to show to other people here that you are a liar or, equally probably, too dumb to understand simple english because by now that should be obvious to everyone.

    i am just mocking you for yet another blatant lie.
  4. Standard member wolfgang59
    Infidel
    12 Jun '17 16:36
    Originally posted by whodey
    .... They explicitly deny that there is any truth but whatever they can impose on
    others. They erase history, creating mass amnesia. They invent new pronouns to
    erase the fact that there are but two sexes. They take good words, like ‘truth,’
    ‘justice,’ and ‘love,’ and warp their meanings to fit in with their political agenda. .....”
    I'm beginning to pity you ....
  5. Standard member shavixmir
    Guppy poo
    12 Jun '17 17:00
    I don't think 98% of the world actually care.

    Compared to US Christians and republicans, Bernie sounds completely sane. Even if he's to the right of most European politicians.
  6. 12 Jun '17 20:48
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    This is more whodeyian nonsense. A full discussion of the matter is here: http://www.npr.org/sections/thetwo-way/2017/06/09/532116365/is-it-hateful-to-believe-in-hell-bernie-sanders-questions-prompt-backlash

    It seems Vought supported his alma mater's suspension of a professor for saying "Muslims and Christians worship the same God" by claiming ""Musli ...[text shortened]... don't believe any such thing: 66% of US Christians say many religions can lead to eternal life.
    I don't care if 99.9% of Christians think differently than this man. The bottom line is, those are his religious beliefs.

    So what exactly did he do to disqualify himself? Let me guess.

    1. He thinks Christ is the only path to eternal life.
    2. He does not express his views to your politically correct satisfaction
    3. Last, but not least, Trump appointed him.

    So according to you anyone who thinks Christ is the only path to eternal life and who also was appointed by Trump cannot serve in government?

    How many logic courses did you take in college exactly?

    I have no time for you politically correct McCarthyism.
  7. Subscriber Suzianne
    Misfit Queen
    13 Jun '17 12:23
    Originally posted by whodey
    I don't care if 99.9% of Christians think differently than this man. The bottom line is, those are his religious beliefs.

    So what exactly did he do to disqualify himself? Let me guess.

    1. He thinks Christ is the only path to eternal life.
    2. He does not express his views to your politically correct satisfaction
    3. Last, but not least, Trump appo ...[text shortened]... rses did you take in college exactly?

    I have no time for you politically correct McCarthyism.
    "McCarthyism". Yeah, right.

    You don't know what it even means.
  8. 13 Jun '17 21:15
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    "McCarthyism". Yeah, right.

    You don't know what it even means.
    Sure I do. It's a certain degree of paranoia when labeling people in a bigoted way.

    For example, if someone is conservative they must be racist.

    Of course, the only time it is fought is when left wingers stand in the cross hairs. But when conservatives are put in the cross hairs, they just stand there and take it.

    I think the guy should bring a law suit against Sanders and make him splain why he is being targeted because he things Jesus is the only way to eternal life.
  9. Subscriber Suzianne
    Misfit Queen
    14 Jun '17 20:06
    Originally posted by whodey
    Sure I do. It's a certain degree of paranoia when labeling people in a bigoted way.

    For example, if someone is conservative they must be racist.

    Of course, the only time it is fought is when left wingers stand in the cross hairs. But when conservatives are put in the cross hairs, they just stand there and take it.

    I think the guy should bring a law ...[text shortened]... ake him splain why he is being targeted because he things Jesus is the only way to eternal life.
    Good grief, who's the 'snowflake' now?
  10. Standard member sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    14 Jun '17 21:01 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by whodey
    Sure I do. It's a certain degree of paranoia when labeling people in a bigoted way.

    For example, if someone is conservative they must be racist.

    Of course, the only time it is fought is when left wingers stand in the cross hairs. But when conservatives are put in the cross hairs, they just stand there and take it.

    I think the guy should bring a law ...[text shortened]... ake him splain why he is being targeted because he things Jesus is the only way to eternal life.
    You have no idea what McCarthyism is. It is about revenge. It is about to a government bent on supressing opposing POV. It is about government wielding power to end peoples careers like an example I know full well: The Weavers, Pete Seeger, Roni Gilbert, Lee Hays and Fred Hellerman, they had two # 1 hits on the radio in 1950 but McCarthy said they were communists and so blacklisted them from performing in public or even recording new records. Same thing happened to a LOT of hollywood actors.

    Link to the list:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hollywood_blacklist

    Harry Belefonte, Charlie Chaplain. Now THOSE are REALLY dangerous people.

    Aaron Copeland, as dangerous as they come.

    Will Geer, Ruth Gordon. Off with their heads.

    Burgess Merideth, Allen Lomax. Zero Mostel, Orsen Wells, Josh White. Prison for life, we don't want these asssholes in OUR community.

    Get the picture? That is only a tiny list compared to the full list of McCarthy era victims.

    They were VICTIMS of a repressive regime, an extremely low point in American history.