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  1. Zugzwang
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    16 Sep '18 23:231 edit
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/california-professor-writer-of-confidential-brett-kavanaugh-letter-speaks-out-about-her-allegation-of-sexual-assault/2018/09/16/46982194-b846-11e8-94eb-3bd52dfe917b_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.aa9cd052723a

    (Note to the troll Divegeester, this article, like many others that I cite, is NOT from the 'Guardian'.)

    "California professor, writer of confidential Brett Kavanaugh letter,
    speaks out about her allegation of sexual assault."

    "[Christine Blasey] Ford said that one summer in the early 1980s, Kavanaugh and
    a friend — both “stumbling drunk,” Ford alleges — corralled her into a
    bedroom during a gathering of teenagers at a house in Montgomery County.

    While his friend watched, she said, Kavanaugh pinned her to a bed on her
    back and groped her over her clothes, grinding his body against hers and
    clumsily attempting to pull off her one-piece bathing suit and the clothing she
    wore over it. When she tried to scream, she said, he put his hand over her mouth.

    “I thought he might inadvertently kill me,” said Ford, now a 51-year-old
    research psychologist in northern California. “He was trying to attack me
    and remove my clothing.”

    Ford said she was able to escape when Kavanaugh’s friend and classmate
    at Georgetown Preparatory School, Mark Judge, jumped on top of them,
    sending all three tumbling. She said she ran from the room, briefly locked
    herself in a bathroom and then fled the house."

    She engaged Debra Katz, a Washington lawyer known for her work on
    sexual harassment cases. On the advice of Katz, who believed Ford would
    be attacked as a liar if she came forward, Ford took a polygraph test
    administered by a former FBI agent in early August. The results, which
    Katz provided to The Post, concluded that Ford was being truthful when
    she said a statement summarizing her allegations was accurate."

    "After so many years, Ford said she does not remember some key details
    of the incident. She said she believes it occurred in the summer of 1982,
    when she was 15, around the end of her sophomore year at the all-girls
    Holton-Arms School in Bethesda. Kavanaugh would have been 17 at
    the end of his junior year at Georgetown Prep."

    "She alleges that Kavanaugh — who played football and basketball at
    Georgetown Prep — held her down with the weight of his body and fumbled
    with her clothes, seemingly hindered by his intoxication. Judge stood
    across the room, she said, and both boys were laughing “maniacally.”
    She said she yelled, hoping that someone downstairs would hear her over
    the music, and Kavanaugh clapped his hand over her mouth to silence her.

    At one point, she said, Judge jumped on top of them, and she tried unsuccessfully
    to wriggle free. Then Judge jumped on them again, toppling them, and
    she broke away, she said."

    "Years later, after going through psychotherapy, Ford said, she came to
    understand the incident as a trauma with lasting impact on her life.
    “I think it derailed me substantially for four or five years,” she said.
    She said she struggled academically and socially and was unable to
    have healthy relationships with men. “I was very ill-equipped to forge
    those kinds of relationships.”

    She also said she believes that in the longer term, it contributed to anxiety
    and post-traumatic stress disorder symptoms with which she has struggled."

    Supporters of Donald Trump tend to condone sexual assault, including his own boasts of it.
    So I suspect that they would do no less on behalf of Brett Kavanaugh, his nominee.

    According to her description, Brett Kavanaugh apparently attempted to rape her.
    If true, that should enough to disqualify him from being a Supreme Court justice.
    I could accept his youth (age 17) as sufficient mitigation if he had been
    guilty of, say, verbal sexual harassment, but not of his physically forcing
    himself upon a younger girl (age 15), with apparent intent to rape her.

    Do I find Christine Blasey Ford credible enough? Yes.
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    16 Sep '18 23:33
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/california-professor-writer-of-confidential-brett-kavanaugh-letter-speaks-out-about-her-allegation-of-sexual-assault/2018/09/16/46982194-b846-11e8-94eb-3bd52dfe917b_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.aa9cd052723a

    (Note to the troll Divegeester, this article, like many others that I cite, is NOT from the 'Gu ...[text shortened]... 15), with apparent intent to rape her.

    Do I find Christine Blasey Ford credible enough? Yes.
    democrats sure use their women. Are you fool enough to believe this?
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    16 Sep '18 23:43
    Wierd that she had SUCH a "traumatic" experience and yet she doesn't remember:
    1) Exactly when it occurred
    2) How the gathering came together the night of the incident.
    3) Who owned the house or how she got there.
    4) How she got home.
    Funny that.
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    17 Sep '18 00:31
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/california-professor-writer-of-confidential-brett-kavanaugh-letter-speaks-out-about-her-allegation-of-sexual-assault/2018/09/16/46982194-b846-11e8-94eb-3bd52dfe917b_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.aa9cd052723a

    (Note to the troll Divegeester, this article, like many others that I cite, is NOT from the 'Gu ...[text shortened]... 15), with apparent intent to rape her.

    Do I find Christine Blasey Ford credible enough? Yes.
    35 years ago? She is not credible. Remember Anita Hill? Are you going to let any woman that wants to sell books like Anita Hill get away with lying to profit from it?
    The statute of limitations expired long ago and so did her credibility.
  5. Standard memberwittywonka
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    17 Sep '18 02:06
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    Wierd that she had SUCH a "traumatic" experience and yet she doesn't remember:
    1) Exactly when it occurred
    2) How the gathering came together the night of the incident.
    3) Who owned the house or how she got there.
    4) How she got home.
    Funny that.
    Hi. Do you have expertise in PTSD? If so, please feel free to clarify, but I just Googled "PTSD APA" and found this from the American Psychiatric Association, which from what I understand is one of the leading authorities on PTSD.

    https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/ptsd/what-is-ptsd

    One of the key symptoms they list is: "Avoiding reminders of the traumatic event may include avoiding people, places, activities, objects and situations that bring on distressing memories. People may try to avoid remembering or thinking about the traumatic event. They may resist talking about what happened or how they feel about it."

    It actually sounds to me like it isn't that weird that she would have repressed some details along the way.

    Then again, you know what does sound weird to me? The fact that she released medical records from 5+ years ago, documenting her discussions about the incident with her therapist, well before she knew he would be the SCOTUS nominee; and the fact that she released a polygraph test; and STILL people in positions of power seem dead-set on attacking her character.
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    17 Sep '18 02:33
    Originally posted by @mott-the-hoople
    democrats sure use their women. Are you fool enough to believe this?
    It's all true.

    After 35 some odd years, all of a sudden she had flash backs, right when Trump nominated him for the Supreme Court.

    Now all of a sudden she wants justice.

    It all makes perfect sense really.
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    17 Sep '18 02:50
    I’m sure all of us are guilty of having sexually assaulted someone in our liv... oh wait... no, we’re not.

    If you’re going to give someone extreme powers, you need to do extreme vetting.
    Obviously drunken stupidity 35 years ago doesn’t make the man unsuitable. It doesn’t mean the girl wasn’t traumatized though either!

    Now, if 3 or 4 other people come forward with similar experiences... is that the sort of person you’d want in a life-time position of power?
  8. Zugzwang
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    17 Sep '18 03:25
    Originally posted by @shavixmir
    I’m sure all of us are guilty of having sexually assaulted someone in our liv... oh wait... no, we’re not.

    If you’re going to give someone extreme powers, you need to do extreme vetting.
    Obviously drunken stupidity 35 years ago doesn’t make the man unsuitable. It doesn’t mean the girl wasn’t traumatized though either!

    Now, if 3 or 4 other people ...[text shortened]... h similar experiences... is that the sort of person you’d want in a life-time position of power?
    If he had only made crude sexual remarks to her, that could be excused.
    Attempted rape is much worse. How many girls does a man have to
    attempt to rape before he's considered unfit to be a Supreme Court justice?
  9. Zugzwang
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    17 Sep '18 03:32
    Originally posted by @wittywonka to Mott-the-HoopieC
    Hi. Do you have expertise in PTSD? If so, please feel free to clarify, but I just Googled "PTSD APA" and found this from the American Psychiatric Association, which from what I understand is one of the leading authorities on PTSD.

    https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/ptsd/what-is-ptsd

    One of the key symptoms they list is ...[text shortened]... polygraph test; and STILL people in positions of power seem dead-set on attacking her character.
    Christine Blasey Ford seems at least as credible as most
    of the many women accusing Harvey Weinstein of sexual assault.
    How many of them have passed polygraphs?
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    17 Sep '18 03:441 edit
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    Christine Blasey Ford seems at least as credible as most
    of the many women accusing Harvey Weinstein of sexual assault.
    How many of them have passed polygraphs?
    Did you even bother to see who her lawyer is? Friking hypocrites. https://townhall.com/tipsheet/timothymeads/2018/09/16/kavanaugh-accusers-lawyer-part-of-resistance-big-democrat-donor-and-has-trashed-paula-jones-n2519525
  11. Zugzwang
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    17 Sep '18 03:471 edit
    Originally posted by @kquinn909
    Did you even bother to see who her lawyer is? Friking hypocrites.
    The article mentions Debra Katz.

    https://www.kmblegal.com/attorneys-and-staff/debra-katz
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    17 Sep '18 08:35
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    If he had only made crude sexual remarks to her, that could be excused.
    Attempted rape is much worse. How many girls does a man have to
    attempt to rape before he's considered unfit to be a Supreme Court justice?
    It was 40 years ago. He was drunk. And he should have been punished.

    But if there’s no case to be made of systematic abuse, then I feel we should accept that people change.

    When someone’s served a prison sentence, I don’t think he/she should be banned from becoming a judge, either.
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    17 Sep '18 10:18
    Originally posted by @shavixmir
    It was 40 years ago. He was drunk. And he should have been punished.

    But if there’s no case to be made of systematic abuse, then I feel we should accept that people change.

    When someone’s served a prison sentence, I don’t think he/she should be banned from becoming a judge, either.
    Shav, buddy, you are not playing the game properly.

    This is the "stop Trump at all costs" movement.

    They don't really care about the supposed crime. If he had not been appointed by Trump to SCOTUS then none of this would be happening right now.
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    17 Sep '18 10:21
    Originally posted by @wittywonka
    Hi. Do you have expertise in PTSD? If so, please feel free to clarify, but I just Googled "PTSD APA" and found this from the American Psychiatric Association, which from what I understand is one of the leading authorities on PTSD.

    https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/ptsd/what-is-ptsd

    One of the key symptoms they list is: "Avoiding reminder ...[text shortened]... polygraph test; and STILL people in positions of power seem dead-set on attacking her character.
    Right on the money.
    The manifestations of PTSD can be expressed many, many decades later. It's not unusual.

    In some dementia patients, it can be difficult differentiating between exclamations of past vs. recent abuse.

    I do believe that Kavanaugh assaulted her.
    However, I also believe that Sen. Feinstein made a mistake in withholding the details of this letter, from the public, since July.
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    17 Sep '18 12:09
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    Christine Blasey Ford seems at least as credible as most
    of the many women accusing Harvey Weinstein of sexual assault.
    How many of them have passed polygraphs?
    https://www.vox.com/2014/8/14/5999119/polygraphs-lie-detectors-do-they-work
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