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  1. 20 Apr '17 21:03
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/31/future-of-gibraltar-at-stake-in-brexit-negotiations

    "Gibraltar's future at stake in Brexit negotiations:
    EU guidelines make clear bloc will not overrule Spain in any trade or
    sovereignty dispute involving British overseas territory."

    "Residents of Gibraltar, which Spain has sought to reclaim almost since
    it was ceded to Britain in 1713, voted 96% to remain in the EU."

    "The surprise clause gives Spain the ability to exclude Gibraltar from
    any UK-EU transitional single market access arrangement or future
    trade deal if it is not satisfied with the status of the territory.
    It says that once the UK leaves the bloc “no agreement between the EU
    and the United Kingdom may apply to the territory of Gibraltar without
    the agreement between the Kingdom of Spain and the United Kingdom”.
    This suggests that unless Britain is willing to let its citizens on “the rock”
    be subject to an inferior economic future than those in the UK, the EU
    has in effect handed the Spanish government a veto on Britain’s entire
    future relationship with the bloc."
  2. 20 Apr '17 21:05
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/20/falkland-islands-argentina-brexit

    "Argentina: Brexit could end Europe's support for UK control of Falklands"
  3. 20 Apr '17 21:21
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/apr/20/falkland-islands-argentina-brexit

    "Argentina: Brexit could end Europe's support for UK control of Falklands"
    You read anything else other than the guardian? You need to.
    Try the Sun and the Mail, Amoroute seems to like those rags.
  4. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    20 Apr '17 21:21
    British Overseas Territories have a despicable part to play in the corrupt global financial system. Chances of them changing any time soon are slim indeed but it would be fun if Corbyn sent the navy out to stop their criminal behaviour. Then we would see the deep state fight back!!

    "The fourteen BOTs are, in alphabetical order, Anguilla, Bermuda, the British Antarctic Territory, the British Indian Ocean Territory (BIOT), the British Virgin Islands (BVI), the Cayman Islands, the Sovereign Base Areas of Akrotiri and Dhekelia on Cyprus, the Falkland Islands, Gibraltar, Montserrat, the Pitcairn Islands, Saint Helena and its dependencies (Ascension Island and Tristan da Cunha), South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands, and the Turks and Caicos Islands. The BOTs are sometimes mistakenly lumped in the popular British imagination with the Crown Dependencies. However, Crown Dependencies are possessions of the British Crown, as opposed to BOTs or colonies. Crown Dependencies are the Channel Island bailiwicks of Jersey and Guernsey and the Isle of Man in the Irish Sea."

    Here is a guide, courtesy of Wikileaks apparently.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/wikileaks-files/london-wikileaks/8305236/A-GUIDE-TO-THE-BRITISH-OVERSEAS-TERRITORIES.html

    "With the signing of the British Overseas Territories Act in 2002, nearly all residents of the BOTs became full citizens of the UK. " What a great deal - they get to pretend they are free to do what they like but still enjoy the benefits of British citizenship when that is convenient.
  5. 20 Apr '17 21:25
    Originally posted by divegeester
    You read anything else other than the guardian? You need to.
    Try the Sun and the Mail, Amoroute seems to like those rags.
    I read other newspapers. Unlike most of them, the 'Guardian' allows a non-subscriber to post complete articles here.
  6. Standard member finnegan
    GENS UNA SUMUS
    20 Apr '17 21:40
    Originally posted by divegeester
    You read anything else other than the guardian? You need to.
    Try the Sun and the Mail, Amoroute seems to like those rags.
    This is ironic
    - right?
  7. 20 Apr '17 21:45
    Originally posted by finnegan
    This is ironic
    - right?
    In what way?
  8. 20 Apr '17 21:46
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    ... the 'Guardian' allows a non-subscriber to post complete articles here.
    Well I guess that is one explaination.
  9. 21 Apr '17 04:49
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/31/future-of-gibraltar-at-stake-in-brexit-negotiations

    "Gibraltar's future at stake in Brexit negotiations:
    EU guidelines make clear bloc will not overrule Spain in any trade or
    sovereignty dispute involving British overseas territory."

    "Residents of Gibraltar, which Spain has sought to reclaim almost sin ...[text shortened]... t handed the Spanish government a veto on Britain’s entire
    future relationship with the bloc."
    The people of Gibraltar hate Spain. You probably know about the 2002 referendum. It was Blair's attempt to give Gibraltar back to Spain, and the people voted against even sharing sovereignty by 99%.

    Gibraltarians see Spain as a threat. The clause in the EU negotiating strategy could cause the talks to fall apart if they don't realize the UK will never give up Gibraltar without that being the will of the majority of people there, and there is no sign of that ever happening.
  10. Subscriber AThousandYoung
    Poor Filipov :,(
    23 Apr '17 03:31
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4432538/Spain-mocks-Britain-Gibraltar-claim.html
  11. 23 Apr '17 08:10
    Originally posted by Ashiitaka
    The people of Gibraltar hate Spain. You probably know about the 2002 referendum. It was Blair's attempt to give Gibraltar back to Spain, and the people voted against even sharing sovereignty by 99%.

    Gibraltarians see Spain as a threat. The clause in the EU negotiating strategy could cause the talks to fall apart if they don't realize the UK will never ...[text shortened]... hat being the will of the majority of people there, and there is no sign of that ever happening.
    The clause was put there to appease Spain. Or perhaps also as a fake bargaining chip, a negotiation that the U.K. has already won so the U.K. can claim "victory" by not wavering in the face of Spanish demands about Gibraltar (perhaps giving U.K. politicians more room for concessions elsewhere).

    Nothing will change in the U.K.'s overseas territories. There is nothing to gain for the EU by pressing the issue, and the U.K. isn't going to cede any territory as part of Brexit negotiations.
  12. Subscriber C J Horse
    A stable personality
    23 Apr '17 08:22
    The usual response to Spanish noise about Gibraltar consists of two words. Ceuta. Melilla.
  13. Subscriber mchill
    cryptogram
    23 Apr '17 09:10 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Duchess64
    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/mar/31/future-of-gibraltar-at-stake-in-brexit-negotiations

    "Gibraltar's future at stake in Brexit negotiations:
    EU guidelines make clear bloc will not overrule Spain in any trade or
    sovereignty dispute involving British overseas territory."

    "Residents of Gibraltar, which Spain has sought to reclaim almost sin ...[text shortened]... t handed the Spanish government a veto on Britain’s entire
    future relationship with the bloc."
    I have no doubt the folks in the house of commons are working on this. Unlike America, the Brit's tend to elect a rather pragmatic group. I'm sure they will work this out.
  14. 23 Apr '17 11:08
    Originally posted by C J Horse
    The usual response to Spanish noise about Gibraltar consists of two words. Ceuta. Melilla.
    I know right, the irony is sickening.
  15. 23 Apr '17 11:12
    Originally posted by mchill
    I have no doubt the folks in the house of commons are working on this. Unlike America, the Brit's tend to elect a rather pragmatic group. I'm sure they will work this out.
    The EU has taken such a hardline stance because the EU parliament is extremely wary of the wilyness of British negotiators.