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Kathy Hochul
Governor of New York
In the state of New York, if you want to receive public assistance — you know, money from state or local authorities to help keep a roof over heads or food in refrigerators — there are conditions that recipients must meet.
And not just you, but any adult who lives with you. Can't have poor people getting a free ride, you see, no matter how the system is set up to make sure the poor stay poor.
When wealthy people want public assistance, well, that's a different story.
On Monday, New York Gov. Kathy Hochul, and Terry and Kim Pegula, the multi-billionaire owners of the Buffalo Bills, trumpeted a new stadium deal for the team that will see the state give the couple $600 million in taxpayer funds. As if that weren't enough, Erie County will kick in $250 million.
The $850 million is the largest amount of public monies ever given to finance a stadium for a privately owned team.
Especially when Hochul just proposed to slash $800 million from New York's Office of Child and Family Services. Why make sure the most vulnerable citizens of the state are taken care of when there's a massive facility to build that will get used only 20 or so times a year? A building in which the tenants keep essentially all of the profits and reap all of the benefits when the value of the team increases because of the new facility?
Is this what call Conservatives, call ''the American Dream?''
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30 Mar 22
@jimm619 saidQuite broad disconnected facts here, We were not in the council meeting about the stadium, the pros and cons. Difficult to make a studied comment. Seems the pros are not that bad. It will be a successful venture, and private enterprise (capitalism) is better than government.
Kathy Hochul
Governor of New York
In the state of New York, if you want to receive public assistance — you know, money from state or local authorities to help keep a roof over heads or food in refrigerators — there are conditions that recipients must meet.
And not just you, but any adult who lives with you. Can't have poor people getting a free ride, you see, n ...[text shortened]... /the-bills-grossly-unethical-stadium-deal-will-burden-the-people-it-purports-to-unite-234942824.html
A separate issue is welfare for people who deserve it, being the folks who are truly down and out. We have to be careful about the funds being scammed by losers. Sorry about this offensive reference to losers, but it makes the point, does it not? Several entities whom I googled are 'looking into why the funding has been slashed". To me, that suggests that we, I , do not yet have enough facts to render an opinion. Again, we were not in the room when this decision was made. For instance, maybe another NYC department has gotten rid of a lot of losers who were drawing tremendously on the welfare funds, and now with them gone, the funds can be reduced. Not a great example, but there is probably a logical reason.
30 Mar 22
@averagejoe1 saidIt's an obvious scam Joe. Political extortion by billionaires to bilk tax dollars. This happened with the Milwaukee Bucks a few years back and it derailed Scott Walker's presidential run. Just like you, he was trying to make the argument for cutting education and the arts, but he's not cutting spending at all. He's giving even larger sums of tax dollars to multibillionaires who can clearly afford to pay for construction themselves (assuming they think it really needs replacement).
Quite broad disconnected facts here, We were not in the council meeting about the stadium, the pros and cons. Difficult to make a studied comment. Seems the pros are not that bad. It will be a successful venture, and private enterprise (capitalism) is better than government.
A separate issue is welfare for people who deserve it, being the folks who are truly down ...[text shortened]... them gone, the funds can be reduced. Not a great example, but there is probably a logical reason.
How about this? If taxes build the stadium, then the ticket sales need to go back to the taxpayers. Just like a toll road or some such.
30 Mar 22
@wildgrass saidIf you fellers had your way, there wojld be no free enterprise, and no capitalism. THE PEOPLE would own and share in the profits. Should run like clockwork, Wildgrass. You truly hate capitalism, you want to punish success. The rich guy makes a proposal to the city, proves it will be good for both sides. I think that is what I just read. So, I don't know what you are talking about, except that the rich guy should be shut down, run off, take the jobs he creates with him. So, no stadium to take my grandkids, unless the city taxes everyone to build one. Jesus. Are you for real?
It's an obvious scam Joe. Political extortion by billionaires to bilk tax dollars. This happened with the Milwaukee Bucks a few years back and it derailed Scott Walker's presidential run. Just like you, he was trying to make the argument for cutting education and the arts, but he's not cutting spending at all. He's giving even larger sums of tax dollars to multibillionaires ...[text shortened]... stadium, then the ticket sales need to go back to the taxpayers. Just like a toll road or some such.
And , my time worn question, do you have any thing to do with the rich guy, on his way to airport to get to his yacht in the Mediterranean. For purposes of this forum, we should always stipulate that any activities in such scenarios are legal. Note: Not the Hunter type scenarios, in other words.
Curious: I know nothing of pro sports, but can you tell me if anyone was convicted of a crime in that scenario? Or, are you just mad?
And the stadium gambit has nothing to do with the welfare you wrote about.
30 Mar 22
@wildgrass saidWhile I do not doubt there is corruption, it is not obviously a scam. I suspect that the return on the investment for the county would be big indeed. The jobs that they create are great, in the building and into the future. And the flow on effects of having a stadium in your back yard, fantastic. This takes money from the rich ( those that can afford to go and even pay for accommodation ) so that it can then be given to the poor.
It's an obvious scam Joe. Political extortion by billionaires to bilk tax dollars. This happened with the Milwaukee Bucks a few years back and it derailed Scott Walker's presidential run. Just like you, he was trying to make the argument for cutting education and the arts, but he's not cutting spending at all. He's giving even larger sums of tax dollars to multibillionaires ...[text shortened]... stadium, then the ticket sales need to go back to the taxpayers. Just like a toll road or some such.
I repeat, not an obvious scam. Not saying it is not. There are even corrupt republicans.
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@jimm619 saidliberal logic 101
Kathy Hochul
Governor of New York
In the state of New York, if you want to receive public assistance — you know, money from state or local authorities to help keep a roof over heads or food in refrigerators — there are conditions that recipients must meet.
And not just you, but any adult who lives with you. Can't have poor people getting a free ride, you see, n ...[text shortened]... /the-bills-grossly-unethical-stadium-deal-will-burden-the-people-it-purports-to-unite-234942824.html
only in the mind of a liberal can a DEMOCRAT governor do something and the liberal blames conservatives...comical
@jimmac saidThanks Jimmac, every little bit helps our cause here on the Forum.
While I do not doubt there is corruption, it is not obviously a scam. I suspect that the return on the investment for the county would be big indeed. The jobs that they create are great, in the building and into the future. And the flow on effects of having a stadium in your back yard, fantastic. This takes money from the rich ( those that can afford to go and even pay for acc ...[text shortened]... he poor.
I repeat, not an obvious scam. Not saying it is not. There are even corrupt republicans.
They say 'obvious' in a heart beat. I have been nice to not say the 'obvious' about Biden!! (well, maybe once).
Libs need to know this: They will say to us conservatives, 'Show us a crime..!" Well, we can't show one unless a court says there is a crime. But aHA, there can always be evidence of a crime.
Take Hunter...oh,, never mind.
@mott-the-hoople saidI missed the obvious!!!! Dems cut off $800M? Next thread,, please.
liberal logic 101
only in the mind of a liberal can a DEMOCRAT governor do something and the liberal blames conservatives...comical
While Jester Jimmm chews on his pillow. These fellers need to work on preparation. Would never make a trial lawyer.
@averagejoe1 saidNo. If we had our way, corporations and politicians and obscenely rich people wouldn't routinely screw as many Americans as they can get away with.
If you fellers had your way, there wojld be no free enterprise, and no capitalism. THE PEOPLE would own and share in the profits. Should run like clockwork, Wildgrass. You truly hate capitalism, you want to punish success. The rich guy makes a proposal to the city, proves it will be good for both sides. I think that is what I just read. So, I don't know what you ...[text shortened]... r, are you just mad?
And the stadium gambit has nothing to do with the welfare you wrote about.
This is more "exceptionalism", like white people crying that they are losing their freedom. What utter BS.
And the stadium is pure corporate welfare. Defended by the same people (you) who say that the poor get all the handouts.
31 Mar 22
@averagejoe1 saidSay it a hundred times. It doesn't make it more true.
If you fellers had your way, there wojld be no free enterprise, and no capitalism. THE PEOPLE would own and share in the profits. Should run like clockwork, Wildgrass. You truly hate capitalism, you want to punish success. The rich guy makes a proposal to the city, proves it will be good for both sides. I think that is what I just read. So, I don't know what you ...[text shortened]... r, are you just mad?
And the stadium gambit has nothing to do with the welfare you wrote about.
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31 Mar 22
@jimmac saidIf they got the money, why can they
While I do not doubt there is corruption, it is not obviously a scam. I suspect that the return on the investment for the county would be big indeed. The jobs that they create are great, in the building and into the future. And the flow on effects of having a stadium in your back yard, fantastic. This takes money from the rich ( those that can afford to go and even pay for acc ...[text shortened]... he poor.
I repeat, not an obvious scam. Not saying it is not. There are even corrupt republicans.
not build their own stadium?
I would have to pay for my own hamburger stand.
31 Mar 22
@jimmac saidBecause you are a Republican apologist.
While I do not doubt there is corruption, it is not obviously a scam. I suspect that the return on the investment for the county would be big indeed. The jobs that they create are great, in the building and into the future. And the flow on effects of having a stadium in your back yard, fantastic. This takes money from the rich ( those that can afford to go and even pay for acc ...[text shortened]... he poor.
I repeat, not an obvious scam. Not saying it is not. There are even corrupt republicans.
Most corrupt politicians are Republicans.
No, not all, but if you are corrupt, chances are that you are a Republican. They are all in bed with those with the bucks. The obscenely rich buy what they want from Washington.
They've corrupted even good democrats like Kyrsten Sinema.
Did you ever see Mr. Smith Goes to Washington?
31 Mar 22
@suzianne saidDefine please what you mean by screwing Americans. Assuming all is legal, a guy like Howard Schultz (Founder Starbucks) was raised in a tenement. He is big time job creator, blah blah. Yes, rich. Tell us, Suzianne, at what point in his life, as his net worth continued to grow, and we enjoy hell out of his $8 coffee, do you and Bernie step in and exercise (what?) over Mr. Schultz?
No. If we had our way, corporations and politicians and obscenely rich people wouldn't routinely screw as many Americans as they can get away with.
This is more "exceptionalism", like white people crying that they are losing their freedom. What utter BS.
Please tell us how it 'should' have been.
31 Mar 22
@averagejoe1 saidI'm not talking about Starbucks, fool.
Define please what you mean by screwing Americans. Assuming all is legal, a guy like Howard Schultz (Founder Starbucks) was raised in a tenement. He is big time job creator, blah blah. Yes, rich. Tell us, Suzianne, at what point in his life, as his net worth continued to grow, and we enjoy hell out of his $8 coffee, do you and Bernie step in and exercise (what?) over Mr. Schultz?
Please tell us how it 'should' have been.
You're defending the corporate welfare amounting to hundreds of millions, while whining about a poor family getting to eat this week.