Originally posted by vistesd
I have been on here (with occasional absences) so many years . . . I used to have friends (and maybe still do, not sure anymore) on different sides of different issues - and we were not always gentle with one another in the heat of argument over issues that we cared passionately about. Apologies were often called for - and as often accepted.
And we mad ...[text shortened]... s than others,
it is from their wounds too
that I find myself bled out.
First Teinosuke and now you, Vistesd, have announced their leaving.
I have respected you as one of the more thoughtful writers in this forum,
and I would tend to defer (if I ever wrote much on that subject) to your
greater expertise in economics. So I am saddened to see you go.
I hope that you will not mind, however, if I share an impression coming
from my perspective as an outsider in a forum dominated by white men.
You seem to be lamenting the passing of a Golden Age (the Good Ol' Days)
of civility and collegiality in this forum, and I am not convinced that this
Golden Age ever existed much in reality as opposed to nostalgic imagination.
In real life, I have heard some older white American men lament the passing
of their Golden Age. In those halcyon days ('when men were real men' ),
'conservative' and 'liberal' white men could argue passionately yet respectfully
about whether or not the US government was moving too fast or too slowly
in extending civil rights to non-white minorities. Then both 'conservative'
and 'liberal' white men could enjoy one another's company (over drinks) at
an exclusive private club reserved for only white men. (At this private
club, they would be served with deference by women and non-white men.)
I can understand why many older white American men like to regard this
kind of 'collegiality' as a Golden Age *for themselves*. As an outsider,
however, I would not care to remember it with such fondness or longing.
The 'collegiality' that they would extend to you would not apply to me.
I would like to make it clear that I have no reason to believe that you are
racist or sexist, and some of your posts show sincere opposition to that.
I would like you to be aware, however, that some of us might not lament
the passing of 'collegiality' so much in a world dominated by white men
because we never experienced that much 'collegiality' in the first place.
Just ask any woman, for instance, striving to break through the 'glass ceiling'
in a field dominated by men. Indeed, such a woman (when a rival at work)
has too often been reduced to a 'caricature of evil' (to borrow your words).
When a place becomes less homogenous, 'collegiality' often seems to suffer.
Best wishes. Go in peace.