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  1. SubscriberGhost of a Duke
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    Smoking cannabis as teenager could increase the risk of depression in adulthood by almost 40 per cent, a landmark study by Oxford University has found. Researchers warned that use of the drug in adolescence may be responsible for around 60,000 cases of the condition in subsequent decades - around one in 14 of all cases.

    They urged parents to be less relaxed about teenage use of cannabis, warning that some of the strains being pushed today are 10 times as strong as the drugs which were dealt 30 years ago.

    And they called on ministers to prioritise prevention of drug taking, warning that the damage caused by cannabis was now a public health risk with “devastating” consequences.

    The research examined 11 major studies involving more than 23,000 individuals from adolescence until their 30s.

    It found that those who tried cannabis in their teens had a 37 per cent higher risk of depression between the ages of 18 and 32, and more than three times the risk of attempting suicide.

    (https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/02/13/smoking-cannabis-teenager-increases-risk-depression-40-per-cent/)


    Is it time we put to bed the notion that Cannabis is a harmless recreational drug with mostly beneficial properties?
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    @ghost-of-a-duke said
    Smoking cannabis as teenager could increase the risk of depression in adulthood by almost 40 per cent, a landmark study by Oxford University has found. Researchers warned that use of the drug in adolescence may be responsible for around 60,000 cases of the condition in subsequent decades - around one in 14 of all cases.

    They urged parents to be less relaxed about ...[text shortened]... t to bed the notion that Cannabis is a harmless recreational drug with mostly beneficial properties?
    "Is it time we put to bed the notion that Cannabis is a harmless recreational drug with mostly beneficial properties?"
    Nobody with more than two neurons has ever said that.

    What has been said is that compared to two perfectly legal drugs, alcohol and tobacco, it is the least harmful. Hell, you can buy sugar by the truckload and is more addictive and harmful than cannabis.


    So the answer to your strawman is: no, not yet.
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    14 Feb '19 12:40
    @zahlanzi said
    "Is it time we put to bed the notion that Cannabis is a harmless recreational drug with mostly beneficial properties?"
    Nobody with more than two neurons has ever said that.

    What has been said is that compared to two perfectly legal drugs, alcohol and tobacco, it is the least harmful. Hell, you can buy sugar by the truckload and is more addictive and harmful than cannabis.


    So the answer to your strawman is: no, not yet.
    Actually people have said precisely that in the SF when cannabis has been discussed previously. (So such 'two neuron' chaps do exist I'm afraid).

    Working in mental health the link between cannabis use and mental health psychosis is well evidenced. I do applaud you though for replacing one (incorrectly) perceived straw man with one of your own. Comparing cannabis use to alcohol or tobacco is a nonsense, with far less research having been done into the effects of cannabis. Like the two neuron chaps you merely play down the harmfulness of cannabis and sneak in the word 'addictive' as though that were the deciding factor. (One could similarly argue that shooting oneself in the head with a shotgun is less addictive than alcohol, but that wouldn't render it any less harmful).
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    @ghost-of-a-duke said
    Actually people have said precisely that in the SF when cannabis has been discussed previously. (So such 'two neuron' chaps do exist I'm afraid).

    Working in mental health the link between cannabis use and mental health psychosis is well evidenced. I do applaud you though for replacing one (incorrectly) perceived straw man with one of your own. Comparing cannabis us ...[text shortened]... e head with a shotgun is less addictive than alcohol, but that wouldn't render it any less harmful).
    "Actually people have said precisely that in the SF when cannabis has been discussed previously. (So such 'two neuron' chaps do exist I'm afraid)."
    set them straight or ignore them. We don't argue the position of some singular weirdos on the internet. Also, nobody said to give marijuana to teenagers. Just like giving alcohol to teenagers is also discouraged/illegal.

    "Comparing cannabis use to alcohol or tobacco is a nonsense, with far less research having been done into the effects of cannabis"
    it is relevant to the fact that the two are legal and the other one isn't, for the wrong reasons.
    the fact that there is "less research into the effects of cannabis" is also irrelevant. we legislate on what we know, not what we might or might not find in 20 years of research. at the moment, there are at least three drugs more dangerous than cannabis that are legal and as such we are working to legalize it and regulate it at least on par with alcohol and tobacco.

    "Like the two neuron chaps you merely play down the harmfulness of cannabis and sneak in the word 'addictive' as though that were the deciding factor."
    it is one of the reasons invoked to keep it illegal. it is relevant to the discussion.


    "One could similarly argue that shooting oneself in the head with a shotgun is less addictive than alcohol"
    one could indeed argue that if one wouldn't mind being laughed at. nobody in the history of the world has ever argued that shotgun to one's own head is addictive.
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    @ghost-of-a-duke said
    Smoking cannabis as teenager could increase the risk of depression in adulthood by almost 40 per cent, a landmark study by Oxford University has found. Researchers warned that use of the drug in adolescence may be responsible for around 60,000 cases of the condition in subsequent decades - around one in 14 of all cases.

    They urged parents to be less relaxed about ...[text shortened]... t to bed the notion that Cannabis is a harmless recreational drug with mostly beneficial properties?
    Maybe people who are depressed tend to experiment with cannabis. Have you considered that possibility?

    What about people who smoke cannabis to treat depression? Are they just making it up to justify smoking cannabis?
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    14 Feb '19 16:041 edit
    @metal-brain said
    Maybe people who are depressed tend to experiment with cannabis. Have you considered that possibility?

    What about people who smoke cannabis to treat depression? Are they just making it up to justify smoking cannabis?
    Think of an underlying mental health condition (or propensity to develop such a condition) as a hairline crack in a drinking glass. looked after the glass maintains its integrity but any kind of trauma, say banging the glass down hard on a table, can cause the glass to shatter. - Cannabis has shown to be such a trauma to pre-disposed individuals resulting in psychosis (invariably a condition that will be with them for life). The worry, of course, no one knows if they have such a pre-disposition before smoking cannabis, made all the more worrying by the general belief that smoking cannabis is virtually risk-free. It isn't.

    But yes, people with depression may indeed experiment with cannabis, and for those fortunate enough to dodge the psychosis bullet, may report some comfort in it. - This doesn't make it a viable treatment, for at least 63 reasons.
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    14 Feb '19 18:42
    Mental illness and illicit drug use go hand in hand.

    It's a chicken or egg question really.
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    14 Feb '19 18:49
    @zahlanzi said
    "Is it time we put to bed the notion that Cannabis is a harmless recreational drug with mostly beneficial properties?"
    Nobody with more than two neurons has ever said that.

    What has been said is that compared to two perfectly legal drugs, alcohol and tobacco, it is the least harmful. Hell, you can buy sugar by the truckload and is more addictive and harmful than cannabis.


    So the answer to your strawman is: no, not yet.
    To add to that, one could drink beer at 5% alcohol content or 80 proof rum.
    Varying levels of alcohol.

    And to say that some strains of pot are 10x as potent as 30 years ago.
    Well, that is out there today as illegal product.
    Wouldn't that strengthen the argument for legalization ?
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    14 Feb '19 18:50
    @whodey said
    Mental illness and illicit drug use go hand in hand.

    It's a chicken or egg question really.
    Mental illness and alcohol
    Mental illness and recreational sex.

    Go on
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    14 Feb '19 19:03
    @whodey said
    Mental illness and illicit drug use go hand in hand.

    It's a chicken or egg question really.
    Thank you Mr Chicken.
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    14 Feb '19 20:10
    @whodey said
    Mental illness and illicit drug use go hand in hand.

    It's a chicken or egg question really.
    Continue to blame the victim.

    No one is surprised.
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    14 Feb '19 20:11
    @mghrn55 said
    Mental illness and alcohol
    Mental illness and recreational sex.

    Go on
    Mental illness and voting Republican.
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    14 Feb '19 20:16
    @ghost-of-a-duke said

    Is it time we put to bed the notion that Cannabis is a harmless recreational drug with mostly beneficial properties?
    Who told you that "cannabis is a harmless recreational drug with mostly beneficial properties"?
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    14 Feb '19 20:231 edit
    @kazetnagorra said
    Who told you that "cannabis is a harmless recreational drug with mostly beneficial properties"?
    (KazetNagora replied to a Ghost of a Duke.)

    Was it the same voice that told Ghost of a Duke that Brexit's so absolutely wonderful
    that it's worthwhile for him to keep lying about its motives and consequences?
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    @kazetnagorra said
    Who told you that "cannabis is a harmless recreational drug with mostly beneficial properties"?
    In the SF? - Karoly and some other strange chap. (They actually went further in regards to the 'magical' benefits of cannabis).

    And yes, I'm aware people, in general, have a more balanced view. That said, most references to cannabis on the internet focus on its beneficial qualities and play down the devastating impact it can have on mental health.
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