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  1. Zugzwang
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    25 Aug '18 21:51
    Some critics of 'socialized medicine' be happy to know that the lack of
    money means that many Chinese receive inferior or even no health care.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/23/opinion/international-world/the-bitter-regrets-of-a-useless-chinese-daughter.html

    "The Bitter Regrets of a Useless Chinese Daughter"
    --Qian Jianan

    "I tried to secure her [mother] a specialist appointment at Huashan Hospital,
    one of the best public hospitals in Shanghai, only to discover that they
    were full till the end of August. You could still make an appointment, but
    only if you knew somebody on the inside — only if you had enough “guanxi,”
    the network of connections and relationships that make China function."

    Ethnic Chinese who have grown up outside China tend to face much adversity
    if they move to China because they lack guanxi accumulated by natives of China.

    "..the same moment of truth that I was facing — have I made “useful” friends that I can ask for a favor?"

    "Without guanxi, it all boils down to money, of course."

    "As a graduate student, I am not making real money.
    Even worse, as a writer, I will probably never make real money."

    "Before my mother’s illness, I spurned what I saw as an excess of pragmatism
    among Chinese people, who want to ensure that all of their efforts go
    toward something useful. College degrees, jobs, friendships, marriages
    — all these should be chosen practically. “Be wise, pick an able man.
    Love doesn’t feed you,” my people like to say. Looking back on my high
    school years, all my relatives tried to talk me, a top-ranking student, into
    majoring in science or finance in college. But I was stubborn enough to
    stay with my favorite subject, literature. Now I understand them.
    They knew very well that in life, things can easily fall apart, and that
    those degrees are a promise of a steady, good-paying job, and perhaps
    a ticket to freedom, too."

    "I know I shouldn’t take everything so personally. It’s China’s institutions,
    after all, that are to blame. Why do we have so few options for good medical
    treatment, such limited education resources, such narrow career paths?
    Why do we need to be rich or have guanxi merely to enjoy access to
    very basic public services? Instead of desperately chasing connections or
    money, we should work together to address these social and political issues."

    "After every social tragedy, victims are subjected to disdain on social media,
    rather than sympathy: “this happened to you because you are a loser;
    because you don’t have the right connections; because you are not
    making enough money.”

    This common lack of compassion is one of the worst things in modern China.

    "Whether I choose to go back home and take care of her [mother] or
    stay in the United States and keep reaching for my dream, sooner or later,
    I will regret either choice. I will scold myself for not having enough courage to take the other path."
    --Qian Jianan
  2. SubscriberAThousandYoung
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    25 Aug '18 21:541 edit
    I like that word “guanxi”.
  3. Zugzwang
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    25 Aug '18 22:07
    Originally posted by @athousandyoung
    I like that word “guanxi”.
    I am in no position to lend you any of mine.
  4. Behind the scenes
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    26 Aug '18 03:551 edit
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    Some critics of 'socialized medicine' be happy to know that the lack of
    money means that many Chinese receive inferior or even no health care.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/08/23/opinion/international-world/the-bitter-regrets-of-a-useless-chinese-daughter.html

    "The Bitter Regrets of a Useless Chinese Daughter"
    --Qian Jianan

    "I tried to secure ...[text shortened]... oice. I will scold myself for not having enough courage to take the other path."
    --Qian Jianan
    "Whether I choose to go back home and take care of her [mother] or
    stay in the United States and keep reaching for my dream, sooner or later,
    I will regret either choice. I will scold myself for not having enough courage to take the other path."
    --Qian Jianan



    How can this lady possibly "reach for her dream" in a country designed, and managed by evil, racist, sexist, inferior white males? (As Duchess frequently reminds us) Better she should return to China, where she would face far less oppression, better opportunities, and a better lifestyle because it's designed and managed by superior asian males. 😲
  5. Zugzwang
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    26 Aug '18 04:461 edit
    Originally posted by @mchill
    "Whether I choose to go back home and take care of her [mother] or
    stay in the United States and keep reaching for my dream, sooner or later,
    I will regret either choice. I will scold myself for not having enough courage to take the other path."
    --Qian Jianan

    How can this lady possibly "reach for her dream" in a country designers have, and managed b ...[text shortened]... rtunities, and a better lifestyle because it's designed and managed by superior asian males. 😲
    People often go to study in foreign countries without
    necessarily approving of their governments or cultures.
    Few Americans who study in China are Communists.
    In this case, a Chinese woman interested in English
    literature naturally could benefit from studying in the USA.

    The racist troll Mchill shows no empathy for this Chinese
    woman facing a hard choice between continuing her
    studies in the USA or returning to take care of her ill
    mother in China
  6. Behind the scenes
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    26 Aug '18 05:501 edit
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    People often go to study in foreign countries without
    necessarily approving of their governments or cultures.
    Few Americans who study in China are Communists.
    In this case, a Chinese woman interested in English
    literature naturally could benefit from studying in the USA.

    The racist troll Mchill shows no empathy for this Chinese
    woman facing a hard ...[text shortened]... between continuing her
    studies in the USA or returning to take care of her ill
    mother in China
    The racist troll Mchill shows no empathy for this Chinese
    woman facing a hard choice between continuing her
    studies in the USA or returning to take care of her ill
    mother in China




    And the racist, sexist troll Duchess contradicts herself by quoting that this lady can "reach for her dreams" here in America, while at the same time stating many times here white males are racists and sexists, and therefore incapable of doing anything that would benefit anyone other than themselves. You can't have it both ways Duchess. You lost this debate by contradicting yourself. 🙂
  7. Zugzwang
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    26 Aug '18 06:242 edits
    Originally posted by @mchill
    The racist troll Mchill shows no empathy for this Chinese
    woman facing a hard choice between continuing her
    studies in the USA or returning to take care of her ill
    mother in China

    And the racist, sexist troll Duchess contradicts herself by quoting that this lady can "reach for her dreams" here in America, while at the same time stating many ti mselves. You can't have it both ways Duchess. You lost this debate by contradicting yourself. 🙂
    The lying racist troll Mchill puts more words into my mouth.

    Almost all students from China in the USA are not blind
    to the USA's many flaws, including endemic racism.
    And their dreams often are influenced or constrained by racism.
  8. Behind the scenes
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    26 Aug '18 13:38
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    The lying racist troll Mchill puts more words into my mouth.

    Almost all students from China in the USA are not blind
    to the USA's many flaws, including endemic racism.
    And their dreams often are influenced or constrained by racism.
    Almost all students from China in the USA are not blind to the USA's many flaws, including endemic racism.


    Well Duchess, if these students from China find the USA THAT racist and objectionable, they are free to leave anytime, no one is forcing them to stay here. Duchess shows her hypocrisy by turning a blind eye to the fact these Chinese students find some aspects of America very appealing, while Duchess chooses to focus only on white male racism. I would further point out that Duchess has demonstrated traits of blatant racism herself by her obvious dislike for people she has never met, and knows almost nothing about.
  9. Zugzwang
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    26 Aug '18 19:281 edit
    Originally posted by @mchill
    Almost all students from China in the USA are not blind to the USA's many flaws, including endemic racism.

    Well Duchess, if these students from China find the USA THAT racist and objectionable, they are free to leave anytime, no one is forcing them to stay here. Duchess shows her hypocrisy by turning a blind eye to the fact these Chinese students find so ...[text shortened]... ism herself by her obvious dislike for people she has never met, and knows almost nothing about.
    The lying racist troll Mchill arrogantly takes a familiar "America, love it or leave it" attitude toward racism.
    Many (though fewer today) white Americans liked to tell African Americans that if they coomplained
    about racism, they were to free to emigrate to any of many black African independent countries.

    Chinese students' personal situations vary, and they make various decisions about their futures.
    One Chinese student told me that, when he arrived in the USA, he had hoped that the
    US propaganda extolling the USA as a country with equal right and opportunities 'with
    liberty and justice for all' might be close to reality. He soon became bitterly disillusioned.
    Initially, he had sought to find a way to stay in the USA after he completed his graduate degree.
    Notwithstanding his many grievances against China's government or Communist Party,
    he decided to return to China. Other Chinese students may make other choices.

    From 1933 to 1939, some Chinese students went to study (typically engineering or science)
    in Germany, and that's not because they believed that the Nazis were not racist.
    It's because they hoped that the benefits of studying there would outweigh their exposure to racism.
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