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  1. Zugzwang
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    06 Aug '17 21:301 edit
    On one hand, LGBTQ black Muslim Somali-Americans face homophobia
    and transphobia within the generally conservative Somali-American community.
    On the other hand, they also face racism, xenophobia, and Islamophobia
    among LGBTQ white Americans.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/03/lgbtq-somali-americans-minnesota-homophobia-trump

    "'White queers are really good at erasing us': the lives of LGBTQ Somali-Americans.
    Minneapolis is known for its large Somali-American and LGBTQ communities.
    But for those who are part of both, a sense of belonging can be hard to find."

    "For people like Hassan, who is queer and a Somali-American, community can
    be a difficult thing to find. On the one hand, homophobia and transphobia plague
    the Somali-American community. On the other hand, xenophobia, Islamophobia
    and racism are deeply rooted in Minnesota’s largely white LGBTQ community."

    "“It’s pretty normal. It’s expected,” Hassan said of homophobia and
    transphobia in his Somali-American community. As for being Somali in
    Minneapolis’ LGBTQ community: “It has been awful. I should not be
    surprised that just because we happen to share a sexuality that it
    would absolve them or cure them of all prejudices that exist.”

    "“White queers are really good at erasing us,” Hafsa said.
    “There’s a lot of Islamophobia and xenophobia, and I feel like Trump
    has brought a lot of that out of people in the community.”

    "When asked about LGBTQ Somali-Americans becoming further integrated
    with Minnesota’s larger LGBTQ community, Michelle, a 29-year-old
    Somali gay woman who came to Minnesota seven years ago, said:
    “I don’t really foresee that happening in this country. Especially during
    this administration. There’s a hate already being formed. I could see all
    LGBT people coming together, but at some point that privilege comes out.
    If [African Americans] can’t even [be accepted], why do you think that
    LGBT Somalis and East Africans can?”

    "Even so, the individuals interviewed for this piece are still critical of
    the anti-LGBTQ views many in their Somali-American community hold.
    But they reject the idea that their hardships in the Somali-American community
    be used to legitimize anti-black, anti-Muslim and anti-immigrant views."

    Which kind of bigotry is worse? A LGBTQ black Muslim Somali-American faces racism
    because other people can immediately identify one as black. In contrast, a LGBTQ white
    person can, if necessary, usually conceal one's LGBTQ identity to reduce bigotry against oneself.

    While complaining of bigotry against themselves for being LGBTQ, many
    LGBTQ white people retain prejudices against LGBTQ non-white people.
    While complaining of sexism against themselves, many 'white feminist'
    women retain prejudices against non-white women, including non-white feminists.
  2. Behind the scenes
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    07 Aug '17 05:365 edits
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    On one hand, LGBTQ black Muslim Somali-Americans face homophobia
    and transphobia within the generally conservative Somali-American community.
    On the other hand, they also face racism, xenophobia, and Islamophobia
    among LGBTQ white Americans.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/03/lgbtq-somali-americans-minnesota-homophobia-trump

    "'White qu ...[text shortened]... white feminist'
    women retain prejudices against non-white women, including non-white feminists.
    While complaining of bigotry against themselves for being LGBTQ, many
    LGBTQ white people retain prejudices against LGBTQ non-white people.
    While complaining of sexism against themselves, many 'white feminist'
    women retain prejudices against non-white women, including non-white feminists.


    White oak, while complaining against being cut down and used to build tables and chairs, often discriminates against black oak, which is the leading cause of dogs urinating on the trunks of black oak trees. 😀
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    07 Aug '17 06:12
    I build my furniture from cypress and cedar. What's that make me?
  4. Behind the scenes
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    07 Aug '17 06:34
    Originally posted by @kquinn909
    I build my furniture from cypress and cedar. What's that make me?
    Bigot!!😠
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    07 Aug '17 13:05
    Originally posted by @kquinn909
    I build my furniture from cypress and cedar. What's that make me?
    Sicko! 😠
  6. Subscribersonhouse
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    07 Aug '17 23:29
    Originally posted by @whodey
    Sicko! 😠
    Well I use black carbon nanotube fiber reinforcement on my balsa parts. What does that make ME?
  7. Standard membershavixmir
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    08 Aug '17 05:30
    Originally posted by @duchess64
    On one hand, LGBTQ black Muslim Somali-Americans face homophobia
    and transphobia within the generally conservative Somali-American community.
    On the other hand, they also face racism, xenophobia, and Islamophobia
    among LGBTQ white Americans.

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2017/aug/03/lgbtq-somali-americans-minnesota-homophobia-trump

    "'White qu ...[text shortened]... white feminist'
    women retain prejudices against non-white women, including non-white feminists.
    Lgbtq???
    What the hell is the q?
    And why do the lesbos get first letter?
    And aren't lesbians just gay? I mean, gay as in homosexual? Why do they even need their own bloody letter?

    And doesn't that community also have heterosexual people in it? Just friends who don't care what gender or sexual orientation their friends are?

    I feel rather excluded by the bastards.
  8. SubscriberAThousandYoung
    iEn guardia, Ingles!
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    08 Aug '17 15:33
    Originally posted by @shavixmir
    Lgbtq???
    What the hell is the q?
    And why do the lesbos get first letter?
    And aren't lesbians just gay? I mean, gay as in homosexual? Why do they even need their own bloody letter?

    And doesn't that community also have heterosexual people in it? Just friends who don't care what gender or sexual orientation their friends are?

    I feel rather excluded by the bastards.
    Queer
  9. SubscriberPonderable
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    08 Aug '17 15:41
    Originally posted by @shavixmir
    Lgbtq???
    What the hell is the q?
    ...cut.
    Thread 173535
  10. Standard membershavixmir
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    09 Aug '17 09:58
    Originally posted by @ponderable
    Thread 173535
    Yeah... I'm gonna go searchin' threads... poooo ha!
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    09 Aug '17 11:46
    Originally posted by @sonhouse
    Well I use black carbon nanotube fiber reinforcement on my balsa parts. What does that make ME?
    It's so terrible I can bring myself to utter the words. ..........
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