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  1. Zugzwang
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    This is the first time since 1986 (USSR) when teams from the same country won
    gold medals in both the open and women's events at the same chess Olympiad.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/oct/05/chess-china-win-olympiad-england-fourth-place

    "China’s triumph was their second Olympiad gold, following Tromso in 2014,
    and was achieved despite a third board failure where 19-year-old
    Wei Yi scored only 50%. Ding Liren, the top board and world No 4,
    played the entire Olympiad on crutches as he has still not fully recovered
    from breaking his hip in a cycle accident during the Stavanger
    tournament at the end of May. Despite this handicap he totalled
    5.5/8 and is now on an unbeaten run of 88 consecutive games.

    China’s other powerhouses were second board Yu Yangyi, who
    scored 7/11, and fourth board Bu Xiangzhi with 7.5/10. In the final
    gold medal round against the Americans, China played it cannily,
    keeping all four positions level and confident in their superior tie-break."

    Open: 1) China 2) USA 3) Russia
    Women: 1) China 2) Ukraine 3) Georgia

    If any American wants to cavil about China defeating the USA on tie-break,
    one should recall that, at the 2016 Olympiad, the USA defeated Ukraine
    by an extremely close tie-break to win the gold medal.

    Wang Hao (who's rated higher than two Chinese on the team) was not
    invited perhaps because he has bad relations with Chinese chess authorities.

    The Chinese women won the gold medal despite the fact that three
    of their four highest rated players (including Hou Yifan, world number 1)
    were NOT on the team. So this victory was somewhat surprising.
    At the 2016 Olympiad, the Chinese women won by a wide margin.
  2. Zugzwang
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    https://en.chessbase.com/post/china-conquers-batumi-olympiad-2018-with-double-gold

    "How China conquered the Batumi Olympiad 2018 with a double gold"

    "The excitement levels had gone off the charts for the final round of the Batumi Olympiad 2018.
    The strongest teams were fighting against each other to decide who would take gold.
    USA and China were pitted against each other in the open section and China and
    Russia faced off against each other in the women's. "
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    That being said, Americans not doing too badly on international stage in chess.
  4. Zugzwang
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    @mghrn55 said
    That being said, Americans not doing too badly on international stage in chess.
    In the open event, the USA (with mostly Asian American players) was the top seed.
    Going into the final round, the USA was ahead of China on tie-breaks.
    But the tie-breaks reflect the accumulated scores of previous opponents, so it's
    quite possible that tie-breaks could change after a round, and that's what happened.

    For instance, China and the USA had a strong opponent, Poland (which finished 4th) in common.
    China defeated Poland, who defeated the USA. In the last round, Poland faced India.
    Obviously, the Chinese hoped that Poland would win and the Americans hoped
    that Poland would lose because these results would help their tie-breaks respectively.
    Poland drew with India, but that was enough for China to win on tie-breaks ahead
    of the USA and Russia.

    Some Americans have complained about the alleged unfairness of the USA losing
    on tie-breaks, but at the 2016 Olympiad, Ukraine lost by a narrower margin on
    tie-breaks to the USA. And the Americans then celebrated their great victory.

    "This is the first time since 1986 (USSR) when teams from the same country won
    gold medals in both the open and women's events at the same chess Olympiad."
    --Duchess64

    Given their reputation for sportsmanship (or lack thereof), I have not noticed any
    Americans here congratulating the Chinese for their historic achievement.
  5. Standard memberSleepyguy
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    @mghrn55 said
    That being said, Americans not doing too badly on international stage in chess.
    We should definitely make this a thread about how awesome American chess players are.
  6. Zugzwang
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    @sleepyguy said
    We should definitely make this a thread about how awesome American chess players are.
    Racist Americans like Sleepyguy apparently loathe the results and prefer to pretend that they don't exist.

    "This is the first time since 1986 (USSR) when teams from the same country won
    gold medals in both the open and women's events at the same chess Olympiad."
    --Duchess64

    Given their reputation for sportsmanship (or lack thereof), I have not noticed any
    Americans here congratulating the Chinese for their historic achievement.

    At the 2018 Olympiad, the open US team consisted mostly of Asian Americans
    (whom racist Americans don't regard as 'real Americans' unless for US propaganda
    purposes, such as if they win Olympic medals or Nobel Prizes)--Wesley So (ethnic
    Chinese immigrant from the Philippines), Hikaru Nakamura (immigrant from Japan),
    and Ray Robson (whose mother's ethnic Chinese).

    On the US women's team, Jennifer Yu (age 16) unexpectedly emerged as a star,
    playing all 11 rounds, and winning the individual bronze medal on board 5 (first reserve).

    If President Trump's preferred exclusion of non-white immigrants had been effect earlier,
    how many of these Asian Americans would have been able to represent the USA?
  7. Standard memberSleepyguy
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    @duchess64 said
    Racist Americans like Sleepyguy apparently loathe the results and prefer to pretend that they don't exist.

    "This is the first time since 1986 (USSR) when teams from the same country won
    gold medals in both the open and women's events at the same chess Olympiad."
    --Duchess64

    Given their reputation for sportsmanship (or lack thereof), I have not noticed any
    Americans ...[text shortened]... d been effect earlier,
    how many of these Asian Americans would have been able to represent the USA?
    American players are SO GREAT!

    "How great?", you ask.

    They are so great they can kick your ass in chess while simultaneously reciting the Gettysburg Address and solving a Rubik's cube because America invented LIBERTY and stuff. Fk yeah!
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    @sleepyguy said
    American players are SO GREAT!

    "How great?", you ask.

    They are so great they can kick your ass in chess while simultaneously reciting the Gettysburg Address and solving a Rubik's cube because America invented LIBERTY and stuff. Fk yeah!
    And they show up at the venue in Chevrolet Impalas and Dodge Rams !! 😆
  9. Behind the scenes
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    @duchess64 said
    This is the first time since 1986 (USSR) when teams from the same country won
    gold medals in both the open and women's events at the same chess Olympiad.

    https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2018/oct/05/chess-china-win-olympiad-england-fourth-place

    "China’s triumph was their second Olympiad gold, following Tromso in 2014,
    and was achieved despite a third board failure ...[text shortened]... this victory was somewhat surprising.
    At the 2016 Olympiad, the Chinese women won by a wide margin.
    Due in no small part to the fact the Chinese government subsidizes the top Chinese players. Frankly I'm surprised the Americans finished as well as they did.
  10. Zugzwang
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    @mchill said
    Due in no small part to the fact the Chinese government subsidizes the top Chinese players. Frankly I'm surprised the Americans finished as well as they did.
    Mchill 'knows' nothing about chess in China except for obsolete stereotypes.

    FALSE. For many years, China's top players have been independent professionals,
    who pay all their own expenses for individual tournaments. While it may be true that
    Chinese are paid to play in the Olympiad, that's true for players from other major
    chess countries, including the USA. (When Bobby Fischer played for the USA, he
    demanded much more money than the other Americans.)

    Wang Hao is now China's 4th highest rated player (he was 1st before he took time
    off several years ago to attend university), but he was not invited to play for China
    perhaps because he has bad relations with China's chess authorities, who may
    disapprove of his 'too independent' decisions (such as dropping out of chess to
    attend university). He's certainly not a puppet of the Chinese chess authorities.
    Wang Hao has complained about the financial insecurity of being a chess professional.
    He has said that he would quit chess if he could find a secure job in which he could
    earn as much money, but chess seems to be the only field in which he's exceptional.

    China's women's team was far from full strength, barely winning the gold medal.
    At the 2016 Olympiad, it won easily. Hou Yifan, the world's highest rated (by far)
    woman is now a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford University and not playing chess.
    Tan Zhongyi (a former FIDE world champion) and Zhao Xue are China's 3rd and
    4th highest rated women, and they did not play. So the composition of China's
    women's team (missing three of its four highest rated players) shows that the
    Chinese chess authorities were NOT enforcing a 'win at all costs' attitude.

    In China, chess remains considerably less popular than xiangqi (Chinese chess).
    In contrast, India does not have a rival chess-like game to compete with chess.

    China's top players tend to retire early (sometimes under pressure), sometimes by their mid to late 20s.
    Some women quit chess after they get married and start families in their mid-to-late 20s.
    Even among men, however, it's common for top Chinese players to be pressured
    by around age 30 (at the latest) to retire from playing and become trainers.
    At age 31, Ni Hua played for the last time for China at the 2014 Olympiad.
    He complained of being pressured to become a trainer when he wanted to keep playing.
    Li Chao (age 29, who's still playing) mostly works as a trainer. Wang Yue (age 31),
    who was once ranked in the world's top 10, has been a full-time trainer for years.

    I would add that a wealthy patron, Rex Sinquefield, has been pouring money into American chess.
    His financial incentives helped persuade Fabiano Caruana to stop representing Italy
    and play for the USA. Likewise, Wesley So no longer plays for the Philippines.
    The team's top two play for the USA largely due to the new money in American chess.

    It's ludicrous for Americans to cry poverty now about American chess because there
    never has been more money (not even during the 'Fischer boom' ) in American chess.
    Abroad, it's said (with some exaggeration) that the USA has the best chess team
    that Rex Sinquefield's money can buy.
  11. SubscriberTom Wolsey
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    06 Oct '18 23:24
    Who cares. And why is this trash in the debates forum. Unless D64 has put the legitimacy of China's win up for debate?
  12. Zugzwang
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    @tom-wolsey said
    Who cares. And why is this trash in the debates forum. Unless D64 has put the legitimacy of China's win up for debate?
    "This is the first time since 1986 (USSR) when teams from the same country won
    gold medals in both the open and women's events at the same chess Olympiad."
    --Duchess64

    Given their reputation for sportsmanship (or lack thereof), I have NOT noticed any
    Americans here congratulating the Chinese for their historic achievement.
    How nice to see the 'ugly American' stereotype thriving again.

    Of course, sneering racist white Americans here respond with boasting about the USA's
    'superiority' and insulting the Chinese. Donald Trump would be so proud of them!

    Racist white Americans will soon have to get used to more blatant denying of reality
    because what's real is far from the self-flattering racist propaganda that they cherish.
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    @duchess64 said
    "This is the first time since 1986 (USSR) when teams from the same country won
    gold medals in both the open and women's events at the same chess Olympiad."
    --Duchess64

    Given their reputation for sportsmanship (or lack thereof), I have NOT noticed any
    Americans here congratulating the Chinese for their historic achievement.
    How nice to see the 'ugly American' stereoty ...[text shortened]... of reality
    because what's real is far from the self-flattering racist propaganda that they cherish.
    " I have NOT noticed any
    Americans here congratulating the Chinese for their historic achievement. "

    LMFAO!!!
  14. Zugzwang
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    @mott-the-hoople said
    " I have NOT noticed any
    Americans here congratulating the Chinese for their historic achievement. "

    LMFAO!!!
    The abusive racist Mott-the-Hoopie fails to comprehend a basic concept of sportsmanship.
  15. Behind the scenes
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    @duchess64 said
    Mchill 'knows' nothing about chess in China except for obsolete stereotypes.

    FALSE. For many years, China's top players have been independent professionals,
    who pay all their own expenses for individual tournaments. While it may be true that
    Chinese are paid to play in the Olympiad, that's true for players from other major
    chess countries, including the USA. (When ...[text shortened]... (with some exaggeration) that the USA has the best chess team
    that Rex Sinquefield's money can buy.
    Mchill 'knows' nothing about chess in China except for obsolete stereotypes.



    Wrong again Duchess. The Chinese government's financial backing of it's top players is the worst kept secret in the chess world. I know you would have us believe the Asian mind of far superior to those dumb white people, but I'm afraid your racism, and ignorance of the facts is showing once again.


    Chess is firmly backed by the government, and by no small means, the tradition of Chinese chess ("xiangqi"😉 and martial arts. In addition, the organized system of collaboration is intrinsic in Chinese culture and helps to create harmony between the players so that there is not excessive competition and jealousy.
    -65th Square

    http://www.thechessdrum.net/65thSquare/65_mayjun01.html


    The government provides large support for their chess players. There about 10 million players in China that know how to play chess, with 3 million chess players who play regularly.
    - Bill Wall

    http://billwall.phpwebhosting.com/articles/China.htm
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