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  1. Standard member spruce112358
    Democracy Advocate
    11 Dec '12 20:33
    http://www.freep.com/usatoday/article/1759437?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE%7Cs

    "North Carolina cannot issue anti-abortion "Choose Life" license plates without offering drivers plates with other viewpoints, a federal has judged ruled.

    U.S. District Court Judge James Fox ruled Friday that the "Choose Life" tag violated the First Amendment, the Raleigh News & Observer reported. In issuing a permanent injunction, he called it "viewpoint discrimination" because the state did not offer a plate supporting reproductive choice."

    "North Carolina offers almost 150 special tags for a variety of causes, interests, organizations, military veterans or colleges. Among them: the Buddy Pelletier Surfing Foundation, Sons of Confederate Veterans, 27 different NASCAR drivers, animal lovers, duck hunters, God, Masons, Shriners, Lions, shag dancers, square dancers, hikers, bicyclists, police, firefighters, forests, tobacco -- and watermelons."

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    View license plates here:

    https://edmv-sp.dot.state.nc.us/sp/SpecialPlates?serviceType=EXP&fM=Y

    By this argument, though, the special tag of 'Save Sea Turtles' should be balanced with a 'Kill Sea Turtles'. That or change it to simply 'Sea Turtles'.
  2. 11 Dec '12 20:41
    Originally posted by spruce112358
    http://www.freep.com/usatoday/article/1759437?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE%7Cs

    "North Carolina cannot issue anti-abortion "Choose Life" license plates without offering drivers plates with other viewpoints, a federal has judged ruled.

    U.S. District Court Judge James Fox ruled Friday that the "Choose Life" tag violated the First Amendme ...[text shortened]... e balanced with a 'Kill Sea Turtles'. That or change it to simply 'Sea Turtles'.
    Perhaps people who feel we cater to much to environmentalists would like a Kill the Sea Turtles license plate.

    On a more serious note, I do not think states should be offering license plates with political slogans without giving people on the other side the opportunity to purchase their own viewpoint license plate. The State's Department of Motor Vehicles of each state should not decide which political slogans we should have the option to purchase.
  3. 11 Dec '12 20:44
    Originally posted by spruce112358
    http://www.freep.com/usatoday/article/1759437?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE%7Cs

    "North Carolina cannot issue anti-abortion "Choose Life" license plates without offering drivers plates with other viewpoints, a federal has judged ruled.

    U.S. District Court Judge James Fox ruled Friday that the "Choose Life" tag violated the First Amendme ...[text shortened]... e balanced with a 'Kill Sea Turtles'. That or change it to simply 'Sea Turtles'.
    The point is this (from your article):

    "The government cannot create an avenue of expression for one side of a contentious political issue while denying an equal opportunity to citizens with the opposite view."

    They specifically rejected plates that had slogans for the opposing side.

    Frankly, if saving turtles was a contentious issue or not then there should be an option of something saying "Who gives a crap about sea turtles".

    Personally, I would say the state should just stop issuing special plates altogether. If you want to put a message on your car, buy a bumper sticker!
  4. 11 Dec '12 22:17
    Perhaps they can offer a "Choose Death" license plate.
  5. 11 Dec '12 22:29
    Originally posted by Eladar
    Perhaps they can offer a "Choose Death" license plate.
    Your non-objectivity is exactly why the government should not offer controversial slogans on license plates.

    They should not have a "force women to be human incubators" option either.
  6. Subscriber KingDavid403
    King David
    11 Dec '12 22:40 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by quackquack
    Your non-objectivity is exactly why the government should not offer controversial slogans on license plates.

    They should not have a "force women to be human incubators" option either.
    And I'll add.

    They should not have a "force women to be human incubators from a rape" option either.
  7. 11 Dec '12 22:53
    Some ideas for license plates.

    "Forced Birth"
    "Forced Sonograms"
    "Government Control of Women's Bodies"
    "Force 13 year old girl impreganted during rape to give birth to rapist' child"
  8. Subscriber KingDavid403
    King David
    11 Dec '12 22:57 / 3 edits
    Originally posted by moon1969
    Some ideas for license plates.

    "Forced Birth"
    "Forced Sonograms"
    "Government Control of Women's Bodies"
    "Force 13 year old girl impreganted during rape to give birth to rapist' child"
    Oh come on. They want less goverment control.

    Unless it's them doing the controling or it infringes on their corporate thievrey.
  9. 12 Dec '12 20:00
    Originally posted by quackquack
    Your non-objectivity is exactly why the government should not offer controversial slogans on license plates.

    They should not have a "force women to be human incubators" option either.
    Unless a woman is raped, she isn't forced to get pregnant. Your morality allows for the killing of one person so that the other person doesn't have to suffer an inconvience of recreational sex. You are evil.
  10. 12 Dec '12 20:18
    Originally posted by spruce112358
    http://www.freep.com/usatoday/article/1759437?odyssey=mod%7Cnewswell%7Ctext%7CFRONTPAGE%7Cs

    "North Carolina cannot issue anti-abortion "Choose Life" license plates without offering drivers plates with other viewpoints, a federal has judged ruled.

    U.S. District Court Judge James Fox ruled Friday that the "Choose Life" tag violated the First Amendme ...[text shortened]... e balanced with a 'Kill Sea Turtles'. That or change it to simply 'Sea Turtles'.
    It is interesting to see people ignore their own resistance to government interference in the political process, when the subject matter of the interference happens to coincide with their political agenda. I believe this is called hypocrisy,
  11. 12 Dec '12 20:22
    Originally posted by Eladar
    Unless a woman is raped, she isn't forced to get pregnant. Your morality allows for the killing of one person so that the other person doesn't have to suffer an inconvience of recreational sex. You are evil.
    The issue here is whether states should sell license plates with contentious slogans. They simply should not.

    No person is killed in an abortion because a fetus isn't a person so if that's your concern you can simply stop worrying. Abortion should be legal because there is no reason to force someone to give birth to a severely deformed child. Your portrail of abortion as an an avoidance of recreation sex is simply inaccurate.
  12. 12 Dec '12 21:29
    Originally posted by quackquack
    The issue here is whether states should sell license plates with contentious slogans. They simply should not.

    No person is killed in an abortion because a fetus isn't a person so if that's your concern you can simply stop worrying. Abortion should be legal because there is no reason to force someone to give birth to a severely deformed child. Your portrail of abortion as an an avoidance of recreation sex is simply inaccurate.
    Did the fact that at one time blacks were not considered people mean that blacks weren't people?
  13. 12 Dec '12 21:41
    Originally posted by Eladar
    Did the fact that at one time blacks were not considered people mean that blacks weren't people?
    Your logic is faulty. At this point in time many people do not consider dogs people. Does the fact that they could have been wrong about something else (such as blacks being people) mean that they are wrong about another issue (and therefore dogs are people)?
  14. 13 Dec '12 20:33
    Originally posted by quackquack
    Your logic is faulty. At this point in time many people do not consider dogs people. Does the fact that they could have been wrong about something else (such as blacks being people) mean that they are wrong about another issue (and therefore dogs are people)?
    I don't think you disagree with my logic, but with my assumption. My assumption is that simply leaving the woman's body does not give a baby the right to being called a person.