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  1. 09 Aug '16 02:40
    I saw this posted somewhere and was wondering what could be debunked of it, if at all.

    THE CLINTON KILL LIST :
    1. James McDougal – Convicted Whitewater partner of the Clinton's who died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation.
    2. Mary Mahoney – A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown (Washington, D.C.). The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment by Clinton in the White House.
    3. Vince Foster – Former White House Councilor, and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock's Rose Law Firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide. (He was about to testify against Hillary related to the records she refused to turn over to congress.) Was reported to have been having an affair with Hillary.
    4. Ron Brown – Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his willingness to cut a deal with prosecutors. The rest of the people on the plane also died. A few days later the Air Traffic controller committed suicide.
    5. C. Victor Raiser, II – Raiser, a major player in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992.
    6. Paul Tulley – Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock on September 1992. Described by Clinton as a "dear friend and trusted advisor".
    7. Ed Willey – Clinton fundraiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day His wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.
    8. Jerry Parks – Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little Rock. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock. Park's son said his father was building a dossier on Clinton. He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.
    9. James Bunch – Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a "Black Book" of people which contained names of influential people who visited Prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas
    10. James Wilson – Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to the Clinton's' Whitewater deals.
    11. Kathy Ferguson – Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones Lawsuit, and Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.
    12. Bill Shelton – Arkansas State Trooper and fiancée of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiancée, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiancée.
    13. Gandy Baugh – Attorney for Clinton's friend Dan Lassiter, died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client, Dan Lassiter, was a convicted drug distributor.
    14. Florence Martin – Accountant & sub-contractor for the CIA, was related to the Barry Seal, Mena, Arkansas Airport drug smuggling case. He died of three gunshot Wounds.
    15. Suzanne Coleman – Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General.. Died Of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a Suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.
    16. Paula Grober – Clinton's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.
    17. Danny Casolaro – Investigative reporter who was Investigating the Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparently, in the middle of his investigation.
    18. Paul Wilcher – Attorney investigating corruption at Mena Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 "October Surprise" was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993, in his Washington DC apartment. Had delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death. (May have died of poison)
    19. Jon Parnell Walker – Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony August 15,1993. He was investigating the Morgan Guaranty scandal.
    20. Barbara Wise – Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised, nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.
    21. Charles Meissner – Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.
    22. Dr. Stanley Heard – Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton's advisory council personally treated Clinton's mother, stepfather and Brother.
    23. Barry Seal – Drug running TWA pilot out of Mena Arkansas, death was no accident.
    24. Johnny Lawhorn, Jr. – Mechanic, found a check made out to Bill Clinton in the trunk of a car left at his repair shop. He was found dead after his car had hit a utility pole.
    25. Stanley Huggins – Investigated Madison Guaranty. His death was a purported suicide and his report was never released.
    26. Hershel Friday – Attorney and Clinton fundraiser died March 1, 1994, when his plane exploded.
    27. Kevin Ives & Don Henry – Known as "The boys on the track" case. Reports say the two boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation. The initial report of death said their deaths were due to falling asleep on railroad tracks and being run over. Later autopsy reports stated that the 2 boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.
    THE FOLLOWING PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE:
    28. Keith Coney – Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck, 7/88.
    29. Keith McMaskle – Died, stabbed 113 times, Nov 1988
    30. Gregory Collins – Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.
    31. Jeff Rhodes – He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989. (Coroner ruled death due to suicide)
    32. James Milan – Found decapitated. However, the Coroner ruled his death was due to natural causes"?
    33. Jordan Kettleson – Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.
    34. Richard Winters – A suspect in the Ives/Henry deaths. He was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.
    PERSONAL BODYGUARDS ALL DIED OF MYSTERIOUS CAUSES OR SUICIDE
    35. Major William S. Barkley, Jr.
    36. Captain Scott J . Reynolds
    37. Sgt. Brian Hanley
    38. Sgt. Tim Sabel
    39. Major General William Robertson
    40. Col. William Densberger
    41. Col. Robert Kelly
    42. Spec. Gary Rhodes
    43. Steve Willis
    44. Robert Williams
    45. Conway LeBleu
    46. Todd McKeehan
    47. Walter Scheib
    Then of course, there’s the 15 persons in Libya who were attempting to cooperate with the FBI investigation who are also all now dead too. Isn’t that convenient? Don’t forget to add them to the list.
    WHAT DOES THAT MAKE?
    62 DEAD PEOPLE?
  2. Subscriber FreakyKBH
    Acquired Taste...
    09 Aug '16 04:25
    Just a coincidence (repeat 63 times).
  3. Standard member sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    09 Aug '16 05:36 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by whodey
    I saw this posted somewhere and was wondering what could be debunked of it, if at all.

    THE CLINTON KILL LIST :
    1. James McDougal – Convicted Whitewater partner of the Clinton's who died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation.
    2. Mary Mahoney – A former White House intern was murdered ...[text shortened]... ’t that convenient? Don’t forget to add them to the list.
    WHAT DOES THAT MAKE?
    62 DEAD PEOPLE?
    You were not wondering shyte. You are actively accusing and you know that full well. So prove all the allegations, maybe you will get yourself killed, eh. Maybe we will believe you then.
  4. 09 Aug '16 05:55
    Watch Clinton Cash on youtube. Well worth an hr. of your time. Talk about selling out the USA. They are some corrupt sonabitches.
  5. Subscriber Suzianne
    Misfit Queen
    09 Aug '16 10:34
    Originally posted by kquinn909
    Watch Clinton Cash on youtube. Well worth an hr. of your time. Talk about selling out the USA. They are some corrupt sonabitches.
    Yet another Republican hit piece.
  6. Subscriber FreakyKBH
    Acquired Taste...
    09 Aug '16 11:23
    Originally posted by Suzianne
    Yet another Republican hit piece.
    Slick Willie: Hey, Hill: they're sayin' all them folks was a-kilt on account of gettin' tied up with us!

    Crooked Hillary: Ignore them, Bill. They're just jealous of how smart we are.

    Slick Willie: Well, since I done lost my right to a-put out ma shingle and litigate, how's about you sic yerself on 'em, and shut 'em up real good, once and fer all?

    Crooked Hillary: Tut-tut, dear. They'll go away, leave it be.
  7. Standard member sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    09 Aug '16 12:11
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    Slick Willie: Hey, Hill: they're sayin' all them folks was a-kilt on account of gettin' tied up with us!

    Crooked Hillary: Ignore them, Bill. They're just jealous of how smart we are.

    Slick Willie: Well, since I done lost my right to a-put out ma shingle and litigate, how's about you sic yerself on 'em, and shut 'em up real good, once and fer all?

    Crooked Hillary: Tut-tut, dear. They'll go away, leave it be.
    And the love of your life, Trump, is just an angel according to you.
  8. Standard member sh76
    Civis Americanus Sum
    09 Aug '16 12:22
    Originally posted by whodey
    I saw this posted somewhere and was wondering what could be debunked of it, if at all.

    THE CLINTON KILL LIST :
    1. James McDougal – Convicted Whitewater partner of the Clinton's who died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation.
    2. Mary Mahoney – A former White House intern was murdered ...[text shortened]... ’t that convenient? Don’t forget to add them to the list.
    WHAT DOES THAT MAKE?
    62 DEAD PEOPLE?
    Sounds like an Oliver Stone movie.

    While I admit that the likelihood of Hillary having killed all 62 is greater than the likelihood of the CIA, military-industrial complex, US Army and Dallas police force conspiring to murder JFK, they're in fairly comparable places on the nut-job spectrum.

    Speak to Metal Brain, though. I'm sure he'll buy it.
  9. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    09 Aug '16 12:27 / 2 edits
    Originally posted by sh76
    Sounds like an Oliver Stone movie.

    While I admit that the likelihood of Hillary having killed all 62 is greater than the likelihood of the CIA, military-industrial complex, US Army and Dallas police force conspiring to murder JFK, they're in fairly comparable places on the nut-job spectrum.

    Speak to Metal Brain, though. I'm sure he'll buy it.
    It's feces flinging time.

    Snopes has went through quite a few of these: http://www.snopes.com/Politics/clintons/bodycount.asp

    It has this helpful summary of the "technique" of the "body count":

    Body count" lists are not a new phenomenon. Lists documenting all the allegedly "suspicious" deaths of persons connected with the assassination of John F. Kennedy have been circulating for decades, and the same techniques used to create and spread the JFK lists have been employed in the Clinton version:

    List every dead person with even the most tenuous of connections to your subject. It doesn't matter how these people died, or how tangential they were to your subject's life. The longer the list, the more impressive it looks and the less likely anyone is to challenge it. By the time readers get to the bottom of the list, they'll be too weary to wonder what could possibly be relevant about the death of people such as Bill Clinton's mother's chiropractor.
    Play word games. Make sure every death is presented as "mysterious." All accidental deaths are to be labelled "suspicious," even though by definition accidents occur when something unexpected goes wrong. Every self-inflicted death discussed must include the phrase "ruled a suicide" to imply just the opposite. When an autopsy contradicts a "mysterious death" theory, dispute it; when none was performed because none was needed, claim that "no autopsy was allowed." Make liberal use of words such as 'allegedly' and 'supposedly' to dismiss facts you can't support or contradict with hard evidence.
    Make sure every inconsistency or unexplained detail you can dredge up is offered as evidence of a conspiracy, no matter how insignificant or pointless it may be. If an obvious suicide is discovered wearing only one shoe, ignore the physical evidence of self-inflicted death and dwell on the missing shoe. You don't have to establish an alternate theory of the death; just keep harping that the missing shoe "can't be explained."
    If the data doesn't fit your conclusion, ignore it. You don't have to explain why the people who claimed to have the most damaging goods on Clinton (e.g., Gennifer Flowers, Paula Jones, Kathleen Willey, Linda Tripp, Monica Lewinsky, Kenneth Starr), are still walking around unscathed while dozens of bit players have been bumped off. It's inconvenient for you, so don't mention it.
    Most important, don't let facts and details stand in your way! If you can pass off a death by pneumonia as a "suicide," do it! If a cause of death contradicts your conspiracy theory, claim it was "never determined." If your chronology of events is impossible, who cares? It's not like anybody is going to check up on this stuff ...
  10. Subscriber FreakyKBH
    Acquired Taste...
    09 Aug '16 12:36
    Originally posted by sonhouse
    And the love of your life, Trump, is just an angel according to you.
    You're so a step behind.
  11. Subscriber FreakyKBH
    Acquired Taste...
    09 Aug '16 12:43
    Originally posted by sh76
    Sounds like an Oliver Stone movie.

    While I admit that the likelihood of Hillary having killed all 62 is greater than the likelihood of the CIA, military-industrial complex, US Army and Dallas police force conspiring to murder JFK, they're in fairly comparable places on the nut-job spectrum.

    Speak to Metal Brain, though. I'm sure he'll buy it.
    Classic disconnect from reality.
    You can't fathom the ramifications of such conspiracies, therefore create one which logically cannot exist against which to assail.
    The efforts of the entirety of all organizations involved is not required; rather, a few strategically placed people sufficed.
    It's when we refuse to consider the facts without prejudice that the truth becomes buried and eventually passé.
  12. Subscriber FreakyKBH
    Acquired Taste...
    09 Aug '16 12:58
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    It's feces flinging time.

    Snopes has went through quite a few of these: http://www.snopes.com/Politics/clintons/bodycount.asp

    It has this helpful summary of the "technique" of the "body count":

    Body count" lists are not a new phenomenon. Lists documenting all the allegedly "suspicious" deaths of persons connected with the assassination of John F ...[text shortened]... of events is impossible, who cares? It's not like anybody is going to check up on this stuff ...
    Snopes is your support?
    Well, say no more!

    While there are tenuous-at best connections, the MAJORITY are significant, not the least of which is Vincent Foster.
    The fact of the matter is this: were someone to attempt such a 'hatchet job' on ANYONE else in the public eye, the convolution required for even five people's deaths would become so painfully apparent the treatise would be dismissed immediately.
    This growing list, however, not only has legs but is compelling not on the basis of quantity but--- despite yours and Snopes insistence otherwise--- the significance each of these people played in some aspect of these two career criminals' trajectory.
    According to your narrowed view, if the person was a "bit player," their death is of no consequence as it relates to any business involving the Clintons.
    And when the person is of far greater impact?
    Well, they're dismissed on account of the wild imaginations run amok over petty and otherwise empty details.
    Huh?

    Again: name the person in a public light whose trail of death could approximate these by even one tenth.
    You wouldn't be able to if you tried, as none exist.
  13. Subscriber no1marauder
    It's Nice to Be Nice
    09 Aug '16 13:14
    Originally posted by FreakyKBH
    Snopes is your support?
    Well, say no more!

    While there are tenuous-at best connections, the MAJORITY are significant, not the least of which is Vincent Foster.
    The fact of the matter is this: were someone to attempt such a 'hatchet job' on ANYONE else in the public eye, the convolution required for even five people's deaths would become so painfully ...[text shortened]... ould approximate these by even one tenth.
    You wouldn't be able to if you tried, as none exist.
    I know you can't help being ridiculous, but you're being ridiculous. Only three people on the entire list would rate as having "significant" ties to the Clinton's - McDougal, Foster and Brown. Is it so utterly amazing that three (out of hundreds or perhaps thousands) who had such ties died in the last 30 years or so? Of course not; it would be an unlikely statistical fluke if 3 hadn't died.

    The argument is nonsensical, nutjobery.
  14. Standard member sonhouse
    Fast and Curious
    09 Aug '16 13:30
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    I know you can't help being ridiculous, but you're being ridiculous. Only three people on the entire list would rate as having "significant" ties to the Clinton's - McDougal, Foster and Brown. Is it so utterly amazing that three (out of hundreds or perhaps thousands) who had such ties died in the last 30 years or so? Of course not; it would be an unlikely statistical fluke if 3 hadn't died.

    The argument is nonsensical, nutjobery.
    Well do you think maybe they are just a bit paranoid? No, I don't think so. I think they will use anything not of their own words to try to defeat Hillary. They have said nothing of their own minds about her except their pure hatred and the love of Trump.

    So they have to parrot other even more paranoid individuals to make them THINK they are actually attacking when in fact they are just parroting BS refuted years ago.

    Just like the moon landings which they also think never happened, but of course in that instance, they also cannot come up with their own assesment but instead, just parrot what other asssholes said about it and the funny part is those professional moon landing deniers are just in it for the money but weak minded people swallow their line of BS hook line and sinker.
  15. Subscriber FreakyKBH
    Acquired Taste...
    09 Aug '16 13:39
    Originally posted by no1marauder
    I know you can't help being ridiculous, but you're being ridiculous. Only three people on the entire list would rate as having "significant" ties to the Clinton's - McDougal, Foster and Brown. Is it so utterly amazing that three (out of hundreds or perhaps thousands) who had such ties died in the last 30 years or so? Of course not; it would be an unlikely statistical fluke if 3 hadn't died.

    The argument is nonsensical, nutjobery.
    Of course: reduce it to three despite the specific and factual ties to them in the other 60... now we can work here.
    Now dismiss the murder of Vince Foster on account of mere trivialities in the self-contradictory report... do the same for the other two... and presto!
    All is good in the land of Snopes.
    Whether you are amused or not, there are real investigative journalists who have been exposing the production of their racket... in opposition to the fluff found on Snopes.
    Annotating bulls*** doesn't eliminate the smell.