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  1. 03 May '14 03:07
    Comedian and former SNL star has come out and said that he has defected from the democrat party. He sites multiple issues with the DNC.

    He started off by saying that America is on the fast track towards socialism, and that, "Democracies don't end well. We are sliding very fast towards fascism. It's an ugly kind of thing. There is this mob mentality that we have to be careful of."

    He said that most comedians are encouraged to either stay away from politics or to promote political beliefs that lean left.

    "There is a polarization that is happening. I do think you can look at a government and go, wow, it is out of control now. And if you do criticize or tend to be not directly along a liberal stand, you can get murdered."

    Rob also commented on the economy.

    "There is not one segment of business under the Obama administration that has not been hurt. Also, he attacks for profit schools, which is totally an elitist thing from a guy that went to Harvard. I think for free, by the way."

    He finished by lambasting the press.

    "We don't really have freedom from the press. It's owned by about 8 different companies, and it does not really express or help the average American."

    So what say you, does Rob have any good points here or not?
  2. 03 May '14 11:00
    https://rankingamerica.wordpress.com/tag/freedom-of-the-press/

    According to Reporters without Borders, the US ranks 46th in the world when it comes to freedom of the press. In 2008, however, they ranked the US at 36th in the world. In just the past 6 years, the US has dropped 10 points.

    Conversely, Americans seem to think that the press ranks about 15th in the world, a far more optimistic view than those in the know trying to report the news.

    Here Rob Schneider seems to have facts to back him up when it comes to freedom of the press. As for the same being said about comedians being manipulated to avoid politics or be left winged, that is just from his experiences I suppose.
  3. 03 May '14 11:17
    Originally posted by whodey
    https://rankingamerica.wordpress.com/tag/freedom-of-the-press/

    According to Reporters without Borders, the US ranks 46th in the world when it comes to freedom of the press. In 2008, however, they ranked the US at 36th in the world. In just the past 6 years, the US has dropped 10 points.

    Conversely, Americans seem to think that the press ranks about 15 ...[text shortened]... ng manipulated to avoid politics or be left winged, that is just from his experiences I suppose.
    If only the United States wasn't so "left winged", but more like the typically conservative, laissez-faire societies that populate the top ten on that Reporters without Borders list.


    The top ten countries for press freedom are:

    Finland
    Netherlands
    Norway
    Luxembourg
    Andorra
    Liechtenstein
    Denmark
    Iceland
    New Zealand
    Sweden
  4. 03 May '14 11:30 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    If only the United States wasn't so "left winged", but more like the typically conservative, laissez-faire societies that populate the top ten on that Reporters without Borders list.


    The top ten countries for press freedom are:

    Finland
    Netherlands
    Norway
    Luxembourg
    Andorra
    Liechtenstein
    Denmark
    Iceland
    New Zealand
    Sweden
    P
    Perhaps I should have used the term fascist.

    Looking at history, most left winged ideologies are fascist in nature, but I suppose there are exceptions.

    I would suppose that had the countries listed been wealthier and more powerful militarily, they would have scored poorly as well.
  5. 03 May '14 11:36
    Originally posted by whodey
    Perhaps I should have used the term fascist.

    Looking at history, most left winged ideologies are fascist in nature, but I suppose there are exceptions.

    I would suppose that had the countries listed been wealthier and more powerful militarily, they would have scored poorly as well.
    Perhaps your lack of a free press has inhibited your quest for knowledge about history. Do not despair, however. There is a website called "Wikipedia", where you might find some history lessons, should you seek them.
  6. Subscriber Wajoma
    Die Cheeseburger
    03 May '14 11:55
    Whodey, I'd advise against Wikipedia for controversial matter.
  7. 03 May '14 12:55
    Originally posted by whodey
    Comedian and former SNL star has come out and said that he has defected from the democrat party. He sites multiple issues with the DNC.

    He started off by saying that America is on the fast track towards socialism, and that, "Democracies don't end well. We are sliding very fast towards fascism. It's an ugly kind of thing. There is this mob mentality tha ...[text shortened]... ss or help the average American."

    So what say you, does Rob have any good points here or not?
    rob schneider is a moron.


    and this is alarmist crap.
  8. 03 May '14 15:07
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    rob schneider is a moron.


    and this is alarmist crap.
    Rob Schneider is... a stapler!
  9. 03 May '14 16:26
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    rob schneider is a moron.


    and this is alarmist crap.
    I asked if he had some valid points. I have already proven one valid.

    As for his claims regarding comedians, he should know. He is either lying or is telling the truth. The question becomes, why did his political leanings change?
  10. 03 May '14 16:28 / 1 edit
    Originally posted by Wajoma
    Whodey, I'd advise against Wikipedia for controversial matter.
    History is ripe with collectivist governments/empires killing, pillaging, and making slaves.

    I challenge KN to show me collectivist governments that have not gone this direction that rival the number that do or have in the past, with or without Wikipedia.

    Collectivism is nothing more than mob rule with one or a few people at the helm calling the shots.
  11. 03 May '14 16:53
    Originally posted by whodey
    History is ripe with collectivist governments/empires killing, pillaging, and making slaves.

    I challenge KN to show me collectivist governments that have not gone this direction that rival the number that do or have in the past, with or without Wikipedia.

    Collectivism is nothing more than mob rule with one or a few people at the helm calling the shots.
    Although I like a good challenge, it's not clear what you are challenging me to do. What is a "collectivist government"? How can there be both "mob rule" and "one or two people at the helm"? And what does all this have to do with a stapler or press freedom?
  12. 03 May '14 18:45
    Originally posted by KazetNagorra
    Although I like a good challenge, it's not clear what you are challenging me to do. What is a "collectivist government"? How can there be both "mob rule" and "one or two people at the helm"? And what does all this have to do with a stapler or press freedom?
    How do a hand full of people rule a mob? It's called propaganda and a cult of personality. It's happened many times in history.
  13. 04 May '14 19:19
    Originally posted by whodey
    I asked if he had some valid points. I have already proven one valid.

    As for his claims regarding comedians, he should know. He is either lying or is telling the truth. The question becomes, why did his political leanings change?
    post what you want to discuss.

    in another thread.

    in this one you are asking us to dig through some rob schneider manure and find any edible bits. no thank you.
  14. 04 May '14 19:29
    Originally posted by whodey
    Comedian and former SNL star has come out and said that he has defected from the democrat party. He sites multiple issues with the DNC.

    He started off by saying that America is on the fast track towards socialism, and that, "Democracies don't end well. We are sliding very fast towards fascism. It's an ugly kind of thing. There is this mob mentality tha ...[text shortened]... ss or help the average American."

    So what say you, does Rob have any good points here or not?
    Kind on interesting. Somebody else besides me identifies fascism as a left wing philosophy or governmental system.

    He also agrees with the founders like Madison that democracy is mob rule, controlled by factions.

    It is comforting to me that there are other uneducated fools who agree with me.
  15. 04 May '14 19:30
    Originally posted by Zahlanzi
    post what you want to discuss.

    in another thread.

    in this one you are asking us to dig through some rob schneider manure and find any edible bits. no thank you.
    He listed about 4 specific things that were commented on by RS. Is it that uncomfortable to be forced to utter a rational thought?