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  1. Seongnam, S. Korea
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    @athousandyoung said
    Yes, I would say that.

    No, it is not valid to so view.
    Same question as above.
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    25 Jun '19 21:39
    @philokalia said
    Re: Hispanic culture...

    Latinos vary wildly from being nearly pure Spaniards to being very native and there are black Latinos as well....

    I believe the Hispanic people's have a distinctive culture that is largely influenced by Europe, sure, but it is also their own and unique culture, and not European.

    Just as how American culture is, on some level, European as it was influenced by it, but ceases to be European in the sense that it is something else now.
    Anglicized Americans come in all colors too. So what?
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    25 Jun '19 21:42
    @athousandyoung said
    Anglicized Americans come in all colors too. So what?
    Yet... The white "Anglo" is privileged, and thus different in some way... And he has traditionally kept distance from the other non-white Anglos, right, discriminating and creating separate spaces, including cutting himself off from even white Jews for two centuries, yet intermarriage with the Irish and Italians who are Catholics and also privileged.

    I believe that African Americans have a distinct culture. Do you? Or do you deny that they have been often separated and treated different by whites? Do you think they've done nothing with their time apart?
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    @philokalia said
    Ok, so their basis of privilege is purely racial.

    And they have different cultures.

    What is a culture, then?
    Culture is everything about human behavior that is not purely biological. It includes language and religion as well as more subtle things like tendencies, prejudices, names and family history.

    To call a brown mestizo Mexican or a Salvadorean Hispanic is equivalent to calling Obama and Steve Harvey Anglos.
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    @athousandyoung said
    Culture is everything about human behavior that is not purely biological. It includes language and religion as well as more subtle things like tendencies, prejudices, banes and family history.

    To call a brown mestizo Mexican or a Salvadorean Hispanic is equivalent to calling Obama and Steve Harvey Anglos.
    Whites are privileged because they subconsciously or consciously discriminate against non whites, right.

    How can a black American be an Anglo if he isn't consciously or subconsciously discriminating against himself, as this discrimination or tendency is said to be a part of culture.
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    25 Jun '19 21:50
    @philokalia said
    Yet... The white "Anglo" is privileged, and thus different in some way... And he has traditionally kept distance from the other non-white Anglos, right, discriminating and creating separate spaces, including cutting himself off from even white Jews for two centuries, yet intermarriage with the Irish and Italians who are Catholics and also privileged.

    I believe that Afr ...[text shortened]... separated and treated different by whites? Do you think they've done nothing with their time apart?
    Anglo is privileged in that we all speak English and Protestantism is the dominant religion. These people have always been the wealthiest and most powerful people in the USA. Except for Kennedy and Obama, every President has been Anglo or Anglicized Germanic (almost the same thing). They don't like Catholics and most of them don't even know Orthodox Christianity exist. They have always been closer allies to Sunni Muslims like the Turks and Saudis than Orthodox Christians because of mutual anti-Catholic interests.

    Jews aren't white. They are Semites. Irish and Italian communities have kept themselves distinct even until today and these communities have traditionally been poor and violent hubs of organized crime just like brown and black communities are but they do have privilege in that they look like Anglos on first glance and so the cops and KKK don't tend to shoot them on sight.

    Black Americans do have a distinct culture which is mostly Anglo (but a slave version) with some African influence.

    What does any of this have to do with your desire that Anglo Americans continue to completely dominate the politics, culture and economy of the diverse population of the USA?
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    @philokalia said
    Whites are privileged because they subconsciously or consciously discriminate against non whites, right.

    How can a black American be an Anglo if he isn't consciously or subconsciously discriminating against himself, as this discrimination or tendency is said to be a part of culture.
    Anglo is culture. Whiteness is a race. These are not the same thing.

    EDIT - Blacks do discriminate against themselves. Lighter skin is treated better than darker in Black American culture.

    EDITEDIT - Nearly every Black American household has a picture of "White Jesus" (we all know Jesus wasn't a white man but that pic is everywhere).

    EDITEDITEDIT - Protestant Blacks are treated better than Muslim Blacks
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    25 Jun '19 21:51
    @philokalia said
    Ok, so their basis of privilege is purely racial.

    And they have different cultures.

    What is a culture, then?
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture
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    @athousandyoung said
    Anglo is privileged in that we all speak English and Protestantism is the dominant religion. These people have always been the wealthiest and most powerful people in the USA. Except for Kennedy and Obama, every President has been Anglo or Anglicized Germanic (almost the same thing). They don't like Catholics and most of them don't even know Orthodox Christianity exi ...[text shortened]... tinue to completely dominate the politics, culture and economy of the diverse population of the USA?
    Aw, but then, you'd have to agree the Jews are actually the most powerful people proportionate to their demographic in America, right? And they, by your definition, can't be white, right?

    And so as an Orthodox person... I can't be a Wasp, and I can't be part of the Anglo culture, right? I'm a minority now?

    And Obama, even though he's a Protestant, he's not an Anglo.... Because he's not white, right? Race determines culture to some degree?
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    @kazetnagorra said
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture
    Culture (/ˈkʌltʃər/) is the social behavior and norms found in human societies[citation needed].

    Alright, so do white Americans have a culture, and do black Americans have a culture? Is it the same culture?

    Or, are there multiple white cultures..?

    This is an incredibly semantical discussion.
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    @philokalia said
    Aw, but then, you'd have to agree the Jews are actually the most powerful people proportionate to their demographic in America, right? And they, by your definition, can't be white, right?

    And so as an Orthodox person... I can't be a Wasp, and I can't be part of the Anglo culture, right? I'm a minority now?

    And Obama, even though he's a Protestant, he's not an Anglo.... Because he's not white, right? Race determines culture to some degree?
    No, Jews are not the most powerful people. Where did you get that idea?

    You are a religious minority certainly. You'll be expected to hang out with the Russians and the Greeks. Why you are Orthodox despite your apparently Puritan ancestry must be an interesting story.

    Obama is Anglo, but you like to interchange 'white' with 'Anglo' in your posts. He's not a WASP.
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    @philokalia said
    Culture (/ˈkʌltʃər/) is the social behavior and norms found in human societies[citation needed].

    Alright, so do white Americans have a culture, and do black Americans have a culture? Is it the same culture?

    Or, are there multiple white cultures..?

    This is an incredibly semantical discussion.
    White Americans are of many different cultures and came under a wide variety of circumstances. Black Americans are all Niger-Congo people brought over from the slave trade.

    Note that Ethiopians have distinct communities in Los Angeles that do not merge with the Black communities.
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    @athousandyoung said
    No, Jews are not the most powerful people. Where did you get that idea?

    You are a religious minority certainly. You'll be expected to hang out with the Russians and the Greeks. Why you are Orthodox despite your apparently Puritan ancestry must be an interesting story.

    Obama is Anglo, but you like to interchange 'white' with 'Anglo' in your posts. He's not a WASP.
    Jews are something like 2 or 3 percent of the population but make up 8 percent of the Senate. (1)

    They are also famous for being powerful in Hollywood and over represented in academia, so much so that the Hollywood thing is often a joke among everyone.

    Jew is the wealthiest religious category in America.

    (1) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Jewish_members_of_the_United_States_Congress

    (2) https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2016/10/11/how-income-varies-among-u-s-religious-groups/
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    25 Jun '19 22:46
    @athousandyoung said
    White Americans are of many different cultures and came under a wide variety of circumstances. Black Americans are all Niger-Congo people brought over from the slave trade.

    Note that Ethiopians have distinct communities in Los Angeles that do not merge with the Black communities.
    Can you tell a catholic white from an Orthodox white from a Protestant white from an atheist white based on their behaviors and ideas and knowledge base on a conversation about American movies or TV shows?

    Or would they be indistinguishable in their culture in this way?
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